From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Mon Jan 1 05:57:00 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id FAA18764 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 05:57:00 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: tlink@rocknet.net.au Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 21:58:16 +1000 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Jack Chomley Subject: [htaprs] Palm OS PocketAPRS maps?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010101215816.0093f990@rocknet.net.au> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Hi Listers, Does anyone know of any maps for Australia, to suit the above program? It not cheap to register, so I just want to see if any maps are available, otherwise its a lost cause. Jack Chomley VK4JRC --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Mon Jan 1 09:54:39 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id JAA03145 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 09:54:38 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: "Brent Hildebrand" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" References: Subject: [htaprs] Re: Porblem with APRSplus Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 07:47:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <020c01c0740b$292dbee0$8493b3d1@laptop233> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk WS FULL == Work Space Full, which means that APRS+SA has used up its allocated memory. 1) Increase the size of the "Work Space" on the Program tab of Setup. 2) Delete data you do not need using the Data tab of Setup. Brent Hildebrand, KH2Z APRS+SA http://www.tapr.org/~kh2z/aprsplus ftp://ftp.tapr.org/aprssig/winstuff/aprsplus [] > I have been encountering a problem with APRS SA for the last few days and I > can't seem to find the cause. I get a Program Error "WS FULL" > (DataSave[7]|||(wrapl'odr Reg 'GetMonitor.Dat] Nsave PATH,'APRSplus.Dat'| > Anybody know what this it trying to tell me? > > > Mark > WB0NOO > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: bhildebrand@earthlink.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org > Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org > > --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Mon Jan 1 10:59:52 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id KAA08367 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 10:59:46 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: From: "Scott-KC5JGV" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] RE: Running APRSdos with a D700 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 10:51:13 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk The Citadel computers that I have for sale are all running dosAPRS. The version is called APRStch, APRS Touch, for the built-in touch screen. I have had one running here in the shack for almost a year now. I also have one in the van connected to the D700, and it runs like a champ in TNC mode. 73 Scott -----Original Message----- From: bounce-htaprs-14465@lists.tapr.org [mailto:bounce-htaprs-14465@lists.tapr.org]On Behalf Of Byron Smith Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 12:50 PM To: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Running APRSdos with a D700 I am looking to find others that have run APRSdos with a D700 in TNC mode. I have done this, but find that the program will lockup the tnc in the D700. I have seen the D700 send out hundreds of "flags" data. I usually have to turn off the D700 and turn it back on to clear this constant transmit. I have also run Winaprs on the D700 in tnc mode with no lockups. Byron Smith wa6ylb@theworks.com - Webpage: http://www.theworks.com/~wa6ylb wa6ylb@wa6ylb.#nca.ca.usa.noam ICQ 26114994 If all those psychics know the winning lottery numbers, why are they all still working? --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: kc5jgv@arrl.net To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Mon Jan 1 15:45:28 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id PAA03990 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:45:20 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: kc5ejk@mailhost.onramp.net Message-Id: Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:45:07 -0600 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Robert Winingham Subject: [htaprs] Re: Palm OS PocketAPRS maps?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk >Hi Listers, > >Does anyone know of any maps for Australia, to suit the above program? >It not cheap to register, so I just want to see if any maps are available, >otherwise its a lost cause. The only way to make maps for PALM APRS is using MacDLG v2.02 MacDLG is a Macintosh program which makes APRS maps (in pocketAPRS, APRSdos and Mac/WinAPRS native formats) from the U. S. Geological Survey 1:100,000 DLG (Digital Line Graph) data, in the "optional" format, as downloaded from the USGS FTP site or distributed on CD-ROM. There is also ability to process U.S. Census Bureau TIGER files. TIGER Files Now, how you find Map data for Australia in those formats , I don't know. You might find map data in TIGER format or a way to make it so. also see mapformat.html in the docs on the how the format is made. http://www.pocketaprs.com/mapformat.html You might want to check with Darryl Smith He might have some ideas. Here is a post he made a millennium ago :-) ---------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 08:57:41 +1100 From: Darryl Smith To: aprs sig Subject: Map Conversion Software G'Day and Happy New Year During the heat we have been having down here the last few days, I have been updating the DXF2MAP software. It now handles the following conversions WinAPRS -> DXF DXF -> WinAPRS DXF -> DosAPRS DosAPRS -> DXF PalmAPRS -> DXF With double conversions it is also possible to translate between WinAPRS -> DosAPRS DosAPRS -> WinAPRS This software allows you to finally edit your MAPS with a full featured editor - AutoCAD, or any other decent CAD package. There may be bugs in this software. It is still being developed. Also conversions from DXF DO NOT include any text yet. For any release notes see the DXF2MAP.PDF file in the ZIP file. PLEASE READ ALL THIS DOCUMENT. There are some important limitations to know about. PalmAPRS NOTES: Mike is still updating the final format of maps for use with PalmAPRS. This is the reason for no support for these maps in the software. As soon as the format is finalized, I will release the conversion software. ftp://ftp.tapr.org/aprssig/winstuff/WinMisc/ Enjoy. If you would like information about future versions and are not already on the distribution list please email me. Also if there are other formats that I should include let me know. Darryl VK2TDS Sydney, Australia 73 -- ----- kc5ejk@onramp.net or kc5ejk@amsat.org ----- --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Mon Jan 1 18:00:41 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id SAA14092 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 18:00:41 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.usna.edu: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:00:25 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: THD7 Beacon now fixed (??) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, Dr. Werner Furlan wrote: > > my thd7 doesnt receive much when its battery saver is on, but it txs ok. > so does mine ( it is a THD7 E Firmware trial nr. 2) > The unit has some bugs, but this one I never saw here. Its not a bug. No radio with "battery saver" ever works well with packet. Battery saver means the receiver is off for .8 seconds or so out of every second. THus the receiver is OFF for the beginning of 80% of all packets. Once it hears a packet it stays on for 5 seconds, but by then the first packet is lost... de WB4APR, Bob --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Mon Jan 1 19:35:32 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id TAA21804 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:35:30 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.usna.edu: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:35:11 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: TS 2000's lack of APRS In-Reply-To: <00c701c0744f$c2e2dd60$0201a8c0@teltronics.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Thomas M. Schaefer wrote: > Would anyone in the know care to comment on the glaring ommission of APRS > capability in the new TS-2000? I certainly told them my 2 cents. Write them. The only reason I have heard that the TNC is in there is for DX clusters... darn... > auto-tune it. I realise there may be some licensing issues here and an APRS > option would be reasonable so only the APRS people have to suport the > licensing fee, but a 300 baud TNC for HF packet would be great as well. Nope, no licensing issues to my knowledge... and 300 baud was on my wish list also... I too am confused by Kenwood's lack of APRS support in the 2000 bob --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 2 08:41:26 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id IAA09000 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 08:41:25 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.usna.edu: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:41:13 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: htaprs@lists.tapr.org Subject: [htaprs] Re: TS 2000's lack of APRS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk After a little thought, I think I have an idea why Kenwood may have left out an APRS stand-alone mode in the Ts-2000. Probably because it is a high-end rig, it will usually be operated in the shack where there are plenty of PC's around that can run the latest and greatest APRS. No need to be limited to a tiny 1 line APRS display window when you have PC monitors nearby. But probably the biggest reason is that APRS is an evolving thing... and based on the complaints from many people about the upgrades to the D7, they may have decided it was just too big a risk to burn firmware into a $1500? radio and then have users carping forever about upgrades. FCC type-acceptance does not permit a user programmable control processor, so they would forever be stuck in a can-t-win upgrade pipeline. I guess I can see the problem. With PIC's, and PC processors in everything from palmtops to watches, it may be better to have an external APRS processor... Just a thought... de WB4APR, Bob --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 2 11:07:17 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id LAA24704 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:07:17 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: From: "Scott-KC5JGV" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Cc: Subject: [htaprs] Re: TS 2000's lack of APRS Date: Fri, 4 Jan 1980 10:58:46 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk This why I look forward to the day of SDR (software defined radio) which IS the next big thing. Thus I'll keep my money and wait a few more years! Scott -----Original Message----- From: bounce-htaprs-14465@lists.tapr.org [mailto:bounce-htaprs-14465@lists.tapr.org]On Behalf Of Bob Bruninga Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 6:41 AM To: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Cc: htaprs@lists.tapr.org Subject: [htaprs] Re: TS 2000's lack of APRS After a little thought, I think I have an idea why Kenwood may have left out an APRS stand-alone mode in the Ts-2000. Probably because it is a high-end rig, it will usually be operated in the shack where there are plenty of PC's around that can run the latest and greatest APRS. No need to be limited to a tiny 1 line APRS display window when you have PC monitors nearby. But probably the biggest reason is that APRS is an evolving thing... and based on the complaints from many people about the upgrades to the D7, they may have decided it was just too big a risk to burn firmware into a $1500? radio and then have users carping forever about upgrades. FCC type-acceptance does not permit a user programmable control processor, so they would forever be stuck in a can-t-win upgrade pipeline. I guess I can see the problem. With PIC's, and PC processors in everything from palmtops to watches, it may be better to have an external APRS processor... Just a thought... de WB4APR, Bob --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: kc5jgv@arrl.net To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 2 13:50:04 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id NAA15811 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:50:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:49:43 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Vodall Reply-To: wa7nwp@yahoo.com Subject: [htaprs] Re: TS 2000's lack of APRS To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <20010102194943.6486.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk > But probably the biggest reason is that APRS is an evolving thing... > and > based on the complaints from many people about the upgrades to the > D7, > they may have decided it was just too big a risk to burn firmware > into a > $1500? radio and then have users carping forever about upgrades. FCC > type-acceptance does not permit a user programmable control > processor, so > they would forever be stuck in a can-t-win upgrade pipeline. Separating the radio control from the packet protocol programming would not be a big deal. They could release the core source for the "protocol" engine. Have a way for the user to easily upload new versions, probably via flash ram. Then all they'd have to worry about was making enough hardware to meet the demand. Bill __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 2 14:49:12 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id OAA21440 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:49:06 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: "Jeff Tong" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Cc: References: Subject: [htaprs] Re: TS 2000's lack of APRS Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:50:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <004b01c074fd$943011a0$6401330a@speedy> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Better not only keep your money, start saving a lot more!! Jeff > This why I look forward to the day of SDR (software defined radio) which IS > the next big thing. Thus I'll keep my money and wait a few more years! > > Scott > --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 2 14:59:12 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id OAA23039 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:59:11 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: tlink@rocknet.net.au Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 07:00:32 +1000 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Jack Chomley Subject: [htaprs] Troubles with THD7A resetting.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010103070032.007a0810@rocknet.net.au> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Hi Listers, In the last couple of days....I have had trouble with my D7A resetting itself, and losing all settings etc. It seemed to happen just after realeasing the PTT, the next time when I unplugged the GPS. Last night, I left it beaconing for APRS, after a while it crashed :-( So....has its use by date expired :-) OR is there an extra Lithium battery inside that has carked? Jack Chomley Australia with a THD7a that keeps losing it's marbles! --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 2 15:12:08 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id PAA25948 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:12:02 -0600 (CST) From: "Frank van Weerdenburg" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Troubles with THD7A connecting to Dell notebook Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:14:31 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Hi listers, I'm new to this list so my problem may have passed this list already but: I'm having troubles connecting my TH-d7 to my dell notebook (PIII 500). It doesn't matter wich software I use. I also have a Dell PIII 500 desktop wich doesn't give any troubles at all. Does anyone have an idea what could be wrong? Thanks in adv.! Frank van Weerdenburg The Netherlands .... Sorry for my English, I'm only dutch! ;-) .... --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 2 15:17:42 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id PAA26459 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:17:39 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: rwf@mail.mindspring.com Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 16:13:59 -0500 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Ralph Fowler Subject: [htaprs] Re: Troubles with THD7A connecting to Dell notebook Cc: htaprs@lists.tapr.org In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010102161331.01da48c0@mail.mindspring.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Reverse your Transmit and Receive Data connections. That is usually the problem. >I'm having troubles connecting my TH-d7 to my dell notebook (PIII 500). >It doesn't matter wich software I use. >I also have a Dell PIII 500 desktop wich doesn't give any troubles at all. >Does anyone have an idea what could be wrong? --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 2 15:25:22 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id PAA26853 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:25:17 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: "Hazen, Dwight L" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Cc: htaprs@lists.tapr.org Subject: [htaprs] Re: TS 2000's lack of APRS Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:24:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB6403556B42@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Bob, If you can get a TS2000 for $1500 go for it! $2300 is what I see on the web sites. Dwight Dwight L. Hazen, Indiana University, UITS Bloomington, In. 47408-7378 Phone 812-855-5367 hazen@indiana.edu http://php.ucs.indiana.edu/~hazen/ Ham Radio wb9tlh@arrl.net --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 2 15:33:48 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id PAA27365 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:33:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: rbost@itexas.net (Roy Bost) To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" References: Subject: [htaprs] Re: Troubles with THD7A connecting to Dell notebook Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:33:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <001c01c07503$a8727940$27f730d1@itexas.net> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk make sure that your D7 in NOT in APRS mode but in PACKET mode. --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 2 16:12:25 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id QAA01406 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:12:18 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.usna.edu: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:10:53 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: TS 2000's lack of APRS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Hazen, Dwight L wrote: > Bob, > If you can get a TS2000 for $1500 go for it! $2300 is what I see on the web OOPS, yes, I was just guessing. Looks like I guessed low... bob --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 2 19:23:38 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id TAA20999 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 19:23:36 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: From: "Rick Olsen" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: TS 2000's lack of APRS Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:23:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk I got the first TS2000 to hit the shelf at Radio Depot in Seattle. I absolutely LOVE this radio. I agree with the criticism of some folks that it is really a TS870 with VHF/UHF capabilites tacked on. But Kenwood has made one serious mistake, one made in lockstep with Alinco on the DR135TP. Digipeat is NOT included in the TNC instruction set. Most folks don't realize that this radio IS intended to be used as a mobile rig. The R2000 remote head, a clone of the TMD700 control head, will be available sometime this Spring, along with remote cables, brackets, etc. Hence, both APRS functionality, and digipeat functionality are sorely missing in the box. I hope that Kenwood will provide these functions with a flash-rom update, or modification, in the near future. Having said that, however, I am keeping the radio. I really love it, as I said. It is sitting proudly atop my FT1000D, and as soon as the RCP-2000 software is available, it will replace my FT847 in my office. 73 de Rick, N6NR ARRL Techncial Advisor --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 2 22:59:48 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id WAA13341 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:59:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 22:58:07 -0600 From: Skip Allison X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: TS 2000's lack of APRS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3A52B15F.E741D5A2@megsinet.net> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Rick Olsen wrote: . . > on the DR135TP. Digipeat is NOT included in the TNC instruction set. Most > folks don't realize that this radio IS intended to be used as a mobile rig. > The R2000 remote head, a clone of the TMD700 control head, will be available > sometime this Spring, along with remote cables, brackets, etc. Hence, both > APRS functionality, and digipeat functionality are sorely missing in the > box. Why would you want digipeat in a mobile? That can cause problems. Besides, if I had a TS2000 in my car, it would usually be on 20 meters! Seems like a waste to just leave it on the APRS freq. I could see a little use for it in a base station. But I assume the TS2000 can only do one band at a time, so in a base station, the only time digipeat would be used is when you leave the radio on the APRS freq. If you want to digipeat, you're much better off with a dedicated APRS radio/TNC. Skip K9SA --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 2 23:50:18 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id XAA17871 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 23:50:16 -0600 (CST) From: "Herb Gerhardt, KB7UVC" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: TS 2000's lack of APRS Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 21:52:04 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <000401c07549$4c9d1800$21901fd0@oemcomputer> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk There are a few instances when you would want a portable/mobile Digipeater for APRS. During SAR applications when you are in a remote area you might need a Digipeater just to make it back to base camp. Your searchers could be on the other side of a ridge and surrounded by mountains. A portable digi could be set up to get you out. These searchers would also be operating with trackers that can only put out 2 watts into a rubber duck, so they need a little help with a car battery running the mobile digi and mobile antenna to back them up. Some public service events might have the same need for a portable digi. Yes, there are times when a portable digi is a nice feature if not a necessity but it is not the normal mode of operation for a mobile APRS station. Herb, KB7UVC NW APRS Group, West Sound Coordinator Our WEB Site: www.nwaprs.org My Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/kb7uvc/index.htm > -----Original Message----- > > Why would you want digipeat in a mobile? That can cause problems. > --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 3 00:13:21 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id AAA25483 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 00:13:15 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: From: "Rick Olsen" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: TS 2000's lack of APRS Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:13:11 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk The TS2000 can operate on 20M and 144.39 simultaneously. This is the essence of the PCT (packet cluster tune) function. As for mobile digipeat, this function has proven very effective in public service where a strategically placed mobile has been employed to repeat low power trackers back to mission base. It has also proven effective from aircraft operating as a "high-bird" relay on frequencies other than 144.39 (i.e., bike races; CAP use of APRS). Rick, N6NR -----Original Message----- From: bounce-htaprs-17098@lists.tapr.org [mailto:bounce-htaprs-17098@lists.tapr.org]On Behalf Of Skip Allison Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 8:58 PM To: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: TS 2000's lack of APRS Why would you want digipeat in a mobile? That can cause problems. Besides, if I had a TS2000 in my car, it would usually be on 20 meters! Seems like a waste to just leave it on the APRS freq. I could see a little use for it in a base station. But I assume the TS2000 can only do one band at a time, so in a base station, the only time digipeat would be used is when you leave the radio on the APRS freq. If you want to digipeat, you're much better off with a dedicated APRS radio/TNC. Skip K9SA --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 3 05:59:37 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id FAA01639 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 05:59:35 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:07:19 +0100 (CET) From: "PE1RDW (Andre)" X-Sender: aprs@pe1rdw.ampr.org To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: TS 2000's lack of APRS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Skip Allison wrote: > Rick Olsen wrote: > > Why would you want digipeat in a mobile? That can cause problems. > Besides, if I had a TS2000 in my car, it would usually be on 20 meters! > Seems like a waste to just leave it on the APRS freq. > I could see a little use for it in a base station. But I assume the > TS2000 can only do one band at a time, so in a base station, the only > time digipeat would be used is when you leave the radio on the APRS > freq. If you want to digipeat, you're much better off with a dedicated > APRS radio/TNC. > > Skip > K9SA > >From wat I saw it has a second trx for 2m and 70cm fm so that wouldn't be a problem. Wat I and most european hams want to know does it do kiss and dama? 73 de Andre PE1RDW aprsdigi co-ordinator Netherlands member aprs workgroup netherlands mailto:pe1rdw@aprsnl.org --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 3 15:09:06 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id PAA23912 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:09:03 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:07:44 -0500 From: Bob Snyder To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: TS 2000's lack of APRS Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: TAPR Hot Technology APRS References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from sallison@megsinet.net on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:58:07PM -0600 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <20010103160744.C17410@walt.toontown.erial.nj.us> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:58:07PM -0600, Skip Allison wrote: > Why would you want digipeat in a mobile? That can cause problems. Why not digipeat mobile? I have my D700 set up to digipeat RELAY when I'm in the car and the engines running.... Certainly you wouldn't want to do this as a WIDE, or someplace with heavy-duty usage of APRS, but where I'm located, WIDEs are a bit scarce right now. If my RELAY can help someone else's low-power packet reach a WIDE, great. And it shouldn't add too much QRM...... Bob N2KGO -- Robert Snyder rsnyder@toontown.erial.nj.us ICQ #20900813 --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 3 22:42:40 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id WAA09470 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:42:38 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:41:03 -0600 From: Skip Allison X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: TS 2000's lack of APRS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3A53FEDF.91878E75@megsinet.net> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Bob Snyder wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:58:07PM -0600, Skip Allison wrote: > > > Why would you want digipeat in a mobile? That can cause problems. > > Why not digipeat mobile? I have my D700 set up to digipeat RELAY when > I'm in the car and the engines running.... If your mobile digipeats another mobiles packet, a fixed digipeater with a much larger footprint WON'T digipeat it. If you have a couple mobiles near each other, they will digi each other but may not make it to a WIDE. We made the mistake of having digi on a couple years ago going to Dayton. My mobile would send a posit and the mobile next to me would digi it. Since the path was set to RELAY, WIDE, WIDE, it never made it to a wide. SKIP K9SA --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 3 22:54:21 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id WAA10474 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:54:17 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:52:27 -0500 From: Bob Snyder To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: TS 2000's lack of APRS Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: TAPR Hot Technology APRS References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from sallison@megsinet.net on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 10:41:03PM -0600 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <20010103235226.B19082@walt.toontown.erial.nj.us> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 10:41:03PM -0600, Skip Allison wrote: > If your mobile digipeats another mobiles packet, a fixed digipeater with > a much larger footprint WON'T digipeat it. If you have a couple mobiles I didn't think RELAY digis paid attention to other digis.... I know the WIDEN-N protocol doesn't redigi a packet, but that's not the case here, I think... Bob N2KGO -- Robert Snyder rsnyder@toontown.erial.nj.us ICQ #20900813 --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 3 23:04:17 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id XAA11993 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:04:16 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: fixup-htaprs@lists.tapr.org@fixme Message-ID: Reply-To: "Jim Gill" From: "Jim Gill" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" References: Subject: [htaprs] Mobile digipeating Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:59:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <002d01c0760b$133c2340$0400a8c0@compaq> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk > > > Why would you want digipeat in a mobile? That can cause problems. > > > > Why not digipeat mobile? I have my D700 set up to digipeat RELAY when > > I'm in the car and the engines running.... Digipeat has _always_ been turned on in all my mobiles. BUT, not with RELAY or WIDE aliases. I use something like ELAY or VAN or RMOVAN or something... when I step away from the D700 or KPC3+ in the vehicle while carrying a D7, I can leave the D7 in Low or Extra Low power. I then set the path on the D7 for ELAY,WIDE or whatever, and save transmit power on the portable by using the van as a "booster". If you still need a RELAY hop beyond the vehicle for moving situations, your D7 could still maybe use ELAY,RELAY,WIDE. Normally having RELAY as other than the first hop causes problems, but if you're the only one with a carefully selected alias in your mobile, then it works in that situation. Be aware, of course, that having the vehicle digi set up with a unique alias would only help outbound traffic for those portables using it - inbound traffic would still need to be heard directly by the portable or other mobile. But in most cases where you might use this setup, that usually is not an issue. You could use this for special events, hunting, snowmobiling, traveling caravans, etc.; whatever situation that you only want specific units to digipeat using that special alias, without causing general stations to flood your digi. Just an idea. Jim N0RMO Omaha, NE --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 3 23:09:36 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id XAA12422 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:09:32 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: fixup-htaprs@lists.tapr.org@fixme Message-ID: Reply-To: "Jim Gill" From: "Jim Gill" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" References: Subject: [htaprs] Re: TS 2000's lack of APRS Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:04:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <003301c0760b$cf407640$0400a8c0@compaq> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk > > If your mobile digipeats another mobiles packet, a fixed digipeater with > > a much larger footprint WON'T digipeat it. If you have a couple mobiles > > I didn't think RELAY digis paid attention to other digis.... I know the > WIDEN-N protocol doesn't redigi a packet, but that's not the case here, I > think... Correct, RELAY digis typically don't check for dupes, so if other RELAYs heard a packet it would still digipeat it. The point is probably collisions from hidden transmitters keying at the same time, possibly causing the packet to go no further within a limited area. Jim N0RMO Omaha, NE --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 4 02:23:56 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id CAA01568 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 02:23:50 -0600 (CST) From: "Frank van Weerdenburg" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Troubles with THD7A connecting to Dell notebook Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:24:53 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk >> Reverse your Transmit and Receive Data connections. >> That is usually the problem. I've tried that, but didn't work. (I didn't expect it to work because I've used the same cable succesfully with my desktop.) It doesn't even communicate with the standard programming software! Could there be a difference between an rs232 port of a notebook and an rs232 of a desktop? Desperate Frank --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 4 03:48:22 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id DAA16317 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 03:48:22 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: fixup-htaprs@lists.tapr.org@fixme Message-Id: X-Sender: sparkfel@pop.primenet.com Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 03:47:38 -0600 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Mark Fellhauer Subject: [htaprs] Re: Troubles with THD7A connecting to Dell notebook In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010104030940.00b55660@pop.primenet.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk At 02:24 AM 1/4/01, Frank van Weerdenburg wrote: >Could there be a difference between an rs232 port of a notebook and an rs232 >of a desktop? In a word. Yes. Most laptop 9 pin serial ports lack the "umph" to power external circuits as in some data slicers (hamcomm interfaces), but it should not make a difference on the Kenwood interface. See: http://www.arcelect.com/rs232.htm I have seen and heard numerous people complain about the serial ports on Dell branded notebooks and their inability to communicate with external devices (look at the sci.geo.satellite-nav newsgroup for examples). I have never owned a Dell, so I have never had the opportunity to test one. The majority of the dozen or so laptops I've owned are made by Gateway for some odd reason... :) Can the port communicate with other RS-232 devices? Have you tested it with a TNC, GPS, or Serial Modem? I know this is a stupid question, but have you made sure that the serial port on the Kenwood software has been set to the serial port your Laptop is using? What OS is on the Dell Laptop? It is not uncommon for Windows to assign conflicting resources to multiple devices. Is the serial port enabled in BIOS? Check the Device Manager and IRQ listing to see if there are any conflicts. Go into safe mode and see if you have any phantom devices in Device Manager. If so, remove them. Also, try removing all ports in Device Manager and rebooting. Let the port(s) redetect. Windows (or another device) may have stolen the port. You might need to check the system.ini and look for stuff in the [Boot] "drivers =" line. Or you may need to edit the registry - it's really hard to say if it's software. I would drop the Laptop to DOS and beg, borrow, buy, or make a loopback tester and make sure the port is operational. Then test it again after booting it back to Windows. Unfortunately, ALL computer OEMS offer absolutely NO guarantee that their external ports work or work as to an engineering spec. Sad, but true. Even if you prove that the port is defective, Dell may not repair or replace the laptop (assuming it's still under warranty). Or they may replace it with a unit that has the identical flaw... I have had good luck with the SIIG USB to serial converter. I tested it with several GPS's, Kantronics TNC's and my TH-D7(G) and have not had any problems. Unfortunately I sold all the units I had. 73, Mark KC7BXS --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 4 06:52:51 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id GAA01332 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 06:52:51 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: AE5PL To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] RE: Help with TH-D7A(G) and Delorme Tripmate Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 06:52:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <5F1EEAAFA451D311B9750090279C674A080C53@mail.ametx.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk The Tripmate can take "forever" to lock on to the GPS satellites. It's receiver is not one of the best on the market. That said, it does work and work well with a clear view of the sky. If you are inside, take it outside. I use my Tripmate with my TH-D7A(G) in the truck. I put the Tripmate on top of the dashboard so it has a clear view of the sky through the windshield. It normally takes 2 to 7 minutes to get its first fix. During that time, you will hear the beep. It is actually good that you are hearing a beep. That means that the TH-D7A(G) is seeing a NMEA data stream so the Tripmate has self-started and the cable is done correctly. If you press POS you will see zeros with the degree marks flashing. That indicates that NMEA is being seen from the Tripmate, just that the Tripmate hasn't locked on to its fix, yet. Good luck. 73, Pete Loveall AE5PL http://www.ametx.com/ae5pl/ mailto:ae5pl@ametx.com -----Original Message----- From: Zachary Michael [mailto:kb9uqq_2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 1:22 PM To: HT Subject: [htaprs] Help with TH-D7A(G) and Delorme Tripmate Hi Gang, Now that I know that the Tripmate will work, and I have made the cable to hook it up to the TH-D7A(G), can somebody please help me get it configured? I made the cable to hook the Tripmate up to the D7, and I made a cable that allowed the Tripmate to self-start and still run on batteries. Then last night when I plugged it in, all it did was beep at me. Can somebody help me get this all worked out? When I plug it in all it does is go "du" then after about ten seconds it does it again. I have no idea what this means, and it doesn't explain it in the manual. I also know that if it were working correctly, when I push the Position button it should have the fields filled in with my latitude and longitude, but it doesn't. I have my settings set correctly, I think... GPS UNIT NMEA WAYPOINT OFF (since I don't have a unit with a display) LOCATION EVERY 60 GPSTEXT $GPRMC (that's all that the Tripmate outputs) GPSBAUD 4800 I emailed a friend last night and he told me to reverse the pins on the connector going to the D7, but I told him that the pinout should have been right since I got it off the internet. Maybe that is my problem. I got it from this website: http://kg7il.foxinternet.net/ham/aprs/d7pintouts.htm. I thought that it said that is was the right pinout. I know that the manual reverses them, thats why I went on the internet. If somebody can help me I would really, really be greatful! Thanks, Zachary Michael, KB9UQQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: HamLists@ametx.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 4 08:22:35 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id IAA11369 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:22:23 -0600 (CST) Date: 4 Jan 2001 06:21:54 -0800 Message-ID: X-Sent: 4 Jan 2001 14:21:54 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: arizona@uswestmail.net Subject: [htaprs] Re: aprssig digest: January 02, 2001 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <20010104142154.27435.cpmta@c000.sfo.cp.net> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk --- wrote: > (I didn't expect it to work because I've used the same cable succesfully > with my desktop.) > It doesn't even communicate with the standard programming software! > > Could there be a difference between an rs232 port of a notebook and an rs232 of a desktop? Hello Frank, I have had the same problem with the D700 and the Dell Laptop. I tried everything and could not get it to work. I finally gave up. Works fine with my other laptop and like you said the desktop but not the Dell. Let me know what you find Just food for thought... Scott KF4NDQ Scott Sykes |-----www.enterception.com------| WE KNOW YOU ARE OUT THERE! Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 4 09:52:30 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id JAA16177 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:52:28 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.usna.edu: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:52:14 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: TS 2000's lack of APRS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Skip Allison wrote: > If your mobile digipeats another mobiles packet, a fixed digipeater with > a much larger footprint WON'T digipeat it. Well, it might be more correct to say that you "won't hear it", but there is nothing that prevents the WIDE-RELAY digipeater from hearing it direct and also digipeating it. Usually the local RELAY digi and the HIGH-SITE RELAY-WIDE digi will digipeat it at the same time. The result is the originator will hear a collision, and not decode either one of them, and think that it was unsuccessful, yet all other WIDES surrounding the RELAY-WIDE digi will probably have heard it correctly from the WIDE. THus, the packet does propogate outward, but the originator is usually "blind" to this fact due to the local collision in his vicniity... bob If you have a couple mobiles > near each other, they will digi each other but may not make it to a > WIDE. We made the mistake of having digi on a couple years ago going to > Dayton. My mobile would send a posit and the mobile next to me would > digi it. Since the path was set to RELAY, WIDE, WIDE, it never made it > to a wide. > > SKIP > K9SA > > --- > You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: BRUNINGA@NADN.NAVY.MIL > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org > Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org > > de WB4APR@amsat.org, Bob See my APRS LIVE pages http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/aprs.html See APRS SATELLITES http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/astars.html See MIM/Mic-E/Mic-Lite http://www.toad.net/~wclement/mim2.htm --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 4 12:56:07 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id MAA03575 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:56:05 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert Donnell" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] RE: Mobile digipeating Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:55:49 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <001301c0767f$f51bfc30$3001a8c0@kalmus.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: bounce-htaprs-17767@lists.tapr.org [mailto:bounce-htaprs-17767@lists.tapr.org]On Behalf Of Jim Gill Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 8:59 PM To: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Mobile digipeating >Digipeat has _always_ been turned on in all my mobiles. BUT, not with RELAY >or WIDE aliases. I use something like ELAY or VAN or RMOVAN or something... >when I step away from the D700 or KPC3+ in the vehicle while carrying a D7, >I can leave the D7 in Low or Extra Low power. I then set the path on the D7 >for ELAY,WIDE or whatever, and save transmit power on the portable by using >the van as a "booster". You should achieve the same result by setting the first digipeater listing in the D7 to match the callsign programmed into the D700 - which is certain to be unique, unless you make the mistake of using the same SSID on more than one station. No need to use the MYALIAS setting then, and it's obvious to the casual observer that you are digipeating via another of your own stations. 73, Bob --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 4 16:55:45 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id QAA27577 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:55:45 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: fixup-htaprs@tapr.org@fixme Message-ID: Reply-To: "Jim Gill" From: "Jim Gill" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] PG-4W Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:50:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <003401c076a0$bcb07620$0400a8c0@compaq> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Any other sources for a Kenwood PG-4W cable original or clone for the TH-D7 (pre-made only, please)? I already paid the $50 or whatever for my first Kenwood cable with the CD (waste), and now I want 2 more cables - unwilling to buy 2 more overpriced CDs. (PG-4W = db9 to 2.5mm stereo -- data cable for radio to computer) Jim N0RMO Omaha NE --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 4 21:34:51 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id VAA21555 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:34:44 -0600 (CST) From: "Byon Garrabrant" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:33:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [htaprs] Re: PG-4W Priority: normal In-reply-to: Message-ID: List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <070092735030511HAMS3@lvcablemodem.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On 4 Jan 01, at 16:50, Jim Gill wrote: > Any other sources for a Kenwood PG-4W cable original or clone for the > TH-D7 (pre-made only, please)? I already paid the $50 or whatever for my > first Kenwood cable with the CD (waste), and now I want 2 more cables - > unwilling to buy 2 more overpriced CDs. > > (PG-4W = db9 to 2.5mm stereo -- data cable for radio to computer) > I would like to find a couple more of the right angle 2.5mm stereo connector with the flexible cable, and nothing on the other end, like the one that came with my D7. They should be pretty cheap. Any know of a source? Byon ________________________________________ Byon Garrabrant N6BG byon@mail.com --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 4 22:19:54 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id WAA24829 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 22:19:45 -0600 (CST) From: "Herb Gerhardt, KB7UVC" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: PG-4W Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 20:21:44 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <000601c076cf$032c0be0$3a901fd0@oemcomputer> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Radio Shack now carries a 90 degree 2.5 mm plug that you have to wire yourself. It is Radio Shack P/N 274-298. I am sure you can also get them from Mouser at: www.mouser.com Herb, KB7UVC NW APRS Group, West Sound Coordinator Our WEB Site: www.nwaprs.org My Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/kb7uvc/index.htm > -----Original Message----- >> > On 4 Jan 01, at 16:50, Jim Gill wrote: > > > I would like to find a couple more of the right angle 2.5mm stereo > connector with the flexible cable, and nothing on the other end, like > the one that came with my D7. They should be pretty cheap. Any > know of a source? > > Byon --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 4 22:22:15 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id WAA24918 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 22:22:08 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: fixup-htaprs@lists.tapr.org@fixme Message-ID: Reply-To: "Jim Gill" From: "Jim Gill" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" References: Subject: [htaprs] Re: PG-4W Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 22:16:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <005401c076ce$3a87e920$0400a8c0@compaq> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Mouser has them: http://www.mouser.com/products/detail.cfm?MPart=172-2010&CustRef=.&source=se arch&CFID=2330497&CFTOKEN=98841496 Join the lines to form URL if split. I have used a few of these along with Mike Musick NŘQBF's Palm connectors to make custom PocketAPRS->D7 cables. The Mouser cables are excellent for the money - $3.96 and less in bulk. Jim N0RMO Omaha NE > On 4 Jan 01, at 16:50, Jim Gill wrote: > > (PG-4W = db9 to 2.5mm stereo -- data cable for radio to computer) From: "Byon Garrabrant" > I would like to find a couple more of the right angle 2.5mm stereo > connector with the flexible cable, and nothing on the other end, like > the one that came with my D7. They should be pretty cheap. Any > know of a source? --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 5 01:06:56 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id BAA11187 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 01:06:48 -0600 (CST) From: "Darryl Smith" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] D7 Mod... Transmitting beacons more often Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:11:15 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <000c01c076e6$b147c400$32ae2acb@dell.radio-active.net.au> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk G'Day One of the problems that I have with the D7 with some applications is that the beaconing rate is set at 30, seconds minimum. In certain applications it is useful to have a faster update rate, such as once every 1-2 seconds. I have actually managed to get the radio to transmid the beacon once every 2 seconds by sending the string BCN 1BCN 0 into the serial port as fast as I can every 2 seconds or so. Now all I need to do is put this into a PIC processor.. The code should be relatively simple.. after all it only needs to send 8 characters. Darryl --------- Darryl Smith, VK2TDS POBox 169 Ingleburn NSW 2565 Australia Mobile Number 0412 929 634 [+61 4 12 929 634 International] Darryl@radio-active.net.au | www.radio-active.net.au for domain names --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 5 08:03:59 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id IAA14334 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:03:57 -0600 (CST) From: "Richard Carter" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: PG-4W Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:08:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Every now and then a mail message flies by my screen complaining that home made power cables cause problems in the D7A. I suspect that the D7 is not tollerant to noise in the power line. Let the buyer beware! 73's Rich - KE1EV -----Original Message----- From: bounce-htaprs-14533@lists.tapr.org [mailto:bounce-htaprs-14533@lists.tapr.org]On Behalf Of Herb Gerhardt, KB7UVC Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 11:22 PM To: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: PG-4W Radio Shack now carries a 90 degree 2.5 mm plug that you have to wire yourself. It is Radio Shack P/N 274-298. I am sure you can also get them from Mouser at: www.mouser.com Herb, KB7UVC NW APRS Group, West Sound Coordinator Our WEB Site: www.nwaprs.org My Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/kb7uvc/index.htm > -----Original Message----- >> > On 4 Jan 01, at 16:50, Jim Gill wrote: > > > I would like to find a couple more of the right angle 2.5mm stereo > connector with the flexible cable, and nothing on the other end, like > the one that came with my D7. They should be pretty cheap. Any > know of a source? > > Byon --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: rcarter@isi.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 5 16:24:07 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id QAA21811 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:24:02 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.usna.edu: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:23:42 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: SUNSAT, D-7g & Email In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Jim Morrison wrote: > I never paid much attention to the satellite part of APRS until the last > week or so when several posts by Bob and others finally caught my eye. I > have been playing with Sunsat and have been successful at getting my stuff > to show up on findu.com. I am now trying to get email to work. > ...It does show up on findu as a message, but does not get to the recipient. That is because Email must get into APRServe and so far, we still do not have enough (if any) dedicated APRS SATGATES monitoring the downlink of SUNSAT and or UO22 full time... I'm not complaining.. it takes work and time, but several of us are working toward that goal... bob --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 5 20:03:48 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id UAA05820 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:03:36 -0600 (CST) X-Originating-IP: [216.234.207.100] From: "Jim Morrison" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] SUNSAT, D-7g & Email Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 21:47:57 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2001 21:47:57.0756 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AA7FFC0:01C07761] List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk I never paid much attention to the satellite part of APRS until the last week or so when several posts by Bob and others finally caught my eye. I have been playing with Sunsat and have been successful at getting my stuff to show up on findu.com. I am now trying to get email to work. On Bob's page, he has an excellent section on working the sats and sending email. I have tried the format he shows, but have been unable to get email to get anywhere. It does show up on findu as a message, but does not get to the recipient. Here's what I'm doing: My path is set to APRSAT. Using the message function of my D-7g, I set the TO as EMAIL. Then I place the email address at the start of the body of the msg followed by a short msg. In looking at Bob's format, I see a colon immediately before the email address. I have tried it both with and without the colon. I have very little experience with APRS messaging since we do not have a digi in our area and the only chance I get to play is when I'm on the road. That's one of the main attractions of the satellite stuff. I know Sunsat is down for amatuer service right now. My experimenting was done before the shut off. Thanks for the suggestions and help. Jim Morrison KM5BS Hobbs, NM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 5 21:46:34 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id SAA28303 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:02:25 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 01:55:15 +0200 From: Johann Lochner Subject: [htaprs] Re: SUNSAT, D-7g & Email To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Message-id: Organization: Universiteit van Stellenbosch MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3A567B03.4036.B65A93B@localhost> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Hi Jim > On Bob's page, he has an excellent section on working the sats and > sending email. I have tried the format he shows, but have been > unable to get email to get anywhere. It does show up on findu as > a message, but does not get to the recipient. As Bob indicated, you need a sat/i-gate to monitor the downlink and feed the digipeated frames into the APRS network. We hope to feed all logged data into the network in the future (now it's only fed to findu.com). > I know Sunsat is down for amatuer service right now. My > experimenting was done before the shut off. Only the voice schedule was cancelled. Digipeating is still enabled. 73 de ZR1CBC, Johann +------------------------------------------------+ JG Lochner ESL, Universiteit van Stellenbosch e-pos: lochner@ing.sun.ac.za webtuiste: http://esl.ee.sun.ac.za/~lochner +------------------------------------------------+ --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 5 22:16:14 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id WAA11306 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:13:57 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 23:13:23 -0500 (EST) From: John W Wilson Subject: [htaprs] RE: Help with TH-D7A(G) and Delorme Tripmate To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk My Tripmate works just great sitting on the front seat or by the ash tray near the shifter. It is also good just playing around with it sitting in my living room connected to my computer or Palm or my TH-D7A. I believe the thing is well made. It could be the differences in units. John W. Wilson, KN4HX z004391b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sat Jan 6 10:30:47 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id KAA07328 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:30:47 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: tlink@rocknet.net.au Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 22:20:30 +1000 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Jack Chomley Subject: [htaprs] More troubles with THD7A resetting.... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010106222030.00b7b660@rocknet.net.au> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Hi Listers, I am still have some trouble with my D7A resetting for no reason, this morning, I simply turned it on..AND it reset itself and lost all my settings. I tried several more switch on/off sequences and it randomly did the same thing. There seems to be no real pattern to the problem, same when running external power too. Any clues appreciated..... Jack Chomley VK4JRC --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sat Jan 6 17:51:55 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id RAA17896 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:51:54 -0600 (CST) X-Originating-IP: [63.28.105.87] Reply-To: n7rr@arrl.net From: "Bruce Prior" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Yaesu FT-817 Aluminum Enclosure Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 23:51:42 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2001 23:51:43.0207 (UTC) FILETIME=[9EFBA770:01C0783B] List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk The Yaesu FT-817 transceiver could be even lighter with an enclosure made of aluminum instead of steel. The steel enclosure weighs 275 g or 9.7 ounces. That’s over 30% of the total base weight of the FT-817. An aluminum enclosure made from the same gauge sheet metal would weigh about 140 g or 4.9 ounces. That 4.8 ounces lower weight would constitute a significant savings in a backpacker’s weight budget, because all backpacker supplies except fresh water need to be carried the whole length of a trip. The only disadvantage that I can think of is that an aluminum enclosure is not magnetic and therefore will not allow a magnetic keyer paddle like the mini G4ZPY to stick on the enclosure without installing a supplementary steel sheet. I'd like to install aluminum enclosures on my rig, but I'd have to do it with a larger group of orders for it to be reasonably economical. The manufacture of a cloned enclosure in aluminum is not trivial. It involves compound bending, precision drilling and good-quality painting. The price would be $40 per enclosure pair plus shipping (and 7.9% sales tax for Washington State residents). Please let me know whether or not you are interested. Please send an e-mail to: n7rr@arrl.net Make the SUBJECT one of the following: FT-817 Al Definitely Yes FT-817 Al Maybe FT-817 AL Definitely No If you wish, you may add more comments in the text of the message, but it's not necessary. Thanks for your help. 73 & 72, Bruce Prior N7RR 853 Alder Street Blaine, WA 98230-8030 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sat Jan 6 19:30:08 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id TAA25935 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:30:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: "fred_flowers" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Test Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:29:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0072_01C07816.EE23A160" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <007501c07849$399844c0$5f470a3f@akzvbymr> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C07816.EE23A160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, this is a new user test. Fred Flowers KF4QZN ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C07816.EE23A160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all, this is a new user=20 test.
 
Fred Flowers
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------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C07816.EE23A160-- --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sun Jan 7 06:30:08 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id GAA25689 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 06:30:00 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: tlink@rocknet.net.au Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 22:30:33 +1000 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Jack Chomley Subject: [htaprs] Re: D7 Mod... Transmitting beacons more often...now settings loader... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010107223033.01745ac0@rocknet.net.au> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk At 06:11 PM 1/5/2001 +1100, Darryl wrote: >G'Day >One of the problems that I have with the D7 with some applications is that >the beaconing rate is set at 30, seconds minimum. In certain applications it >is useful to have a faster update rate, such as once every 1-2 seconds. >I have actually managed to get the radio to transmid the beacon once every 2 >seconds by sending the string > > BCN 1BCN 0 > >into the serial port as fast as I can every 2 seconds or so. >Now all I need to do is put this into a PIC processor.. The code should be >relatively simple.. after all it only needs to send 8 characters. >Darryl A great idea, Darryl! An other idea you have given me is.....a parameter loader for the D7/D700 that has your radio settings embedded in it, in case you have an unscheduled reset :-( save you keying it all in by hand, if you don't have your PC/laptop available. OR a program that does the same thing....that runs under Palm O/S for the Palm IIIx or IIIc PDA, very simple to reload your radio settings. Jack Chomley VK4JRC --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Mon Jan 8 01:41:28 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id BAA18597 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 01:41:23 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: tlink@rocknet.net.au Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 17:42:00 +1000 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Jack Chomley Subject: [htaprs] GPS Engine.....Primestar GPSIII Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010108174200.00b8be30@rocknet.net.au> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Hi Listers, Have just received e-mail reply from Primestar in Taiwan with a price for their GPSIII model.....1 to 500 pieces @ US$58 each, plus shipping. Has anyone used, or have knowledge of interfacing this unit for APRS use? Jack Chomley VK4JRC --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 9 01:01:03 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id BAA19287 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 01:00:59 -0600 (CST) From: "Darryl Smith" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Uncompressed positions from D7/D700 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 18:05:29 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <000501c07a0a$8cc8b7c0$32ae2acb@dell.radio-active.net.au> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk People, Is there any way to get uncompressed position reports out of a D7/D7(G)/D700? Many thanks Darryl --------- Darryl Smith, VK2TDS POBox 169 Ingleburn NSW 2565 Australia Mobile Number 0412 929 634 [+61 4 12 929 634 International] Darryl@radio-active.net.au | www.radio-active.net.au for domain names --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 9 05:25:51 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id FAA19884 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 05:25:48 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: tlink@rocknet.net.au (Unverified) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 21:26:08 +1000 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Jack Chomley Subject: [htaprs] List for D700 users? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010109212608.008be650@rocknet.net.au> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Hi Listers, Is there a list for D700 users? have just bought a new D700, to keep the D7a company! Jack Chomley VK4JRC --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 9 05:36:30 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id FAA20544 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 05:36:30 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: tlink@rocknet.net.au (Unverified) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 21:36:54 +1000 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Jack Chomley Subject: [htaprs] Re: Uncompressed positions from D7/D700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010109213654.008bfd80@rocknet.net.au> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk At 06:05 PM 1/9/2001 +1100, you wrote: >People, > >Is there any way to get uncompressed position reports out of a >D7/D7(G)/D700? > >Many thanks > >Darryl What if you ran the internal TNC in packet mode, set transparent on, fed the GPS data in....trouble is, it would continually spew data out....wipe out the frequency :-( I did this with an ordinary PacCom TNC and Yaesu FT290R, but I programmed a Basic Stamp Micro to filter all data out, except the $GPRMC string, then parse it to the TNC. Used it with GPSS. Worked great! trick would be to let a $GPRMC sentence hit the TNC every 30 seconds, just like beacon timing. Jack Chomley VK4JRC --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 9 05:42:57 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id FAA20704 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 05:42:52 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: fixup-htaprs@lists.tapr.org@fixme Message-ID: Reply-To: "Jim Gill" From: "Jim Gill" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" References: Subject: [htaprs] Re: List for D700 users? Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 05:42:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <000b01c07a31$41b15220$0400a8c0@compaq> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk > Hi Listers, > Is there a list for D700 users? have just bought a new D700, to > keep the D7a company! This list right here... htaprs. You may also want to check out the D700 egroup at http://www.egroups.com/group/TMD700A . I have some D700 programming info online - see http://home.netcom.com/~jimgill and click on the Ham link. Jim N0RMO Omaha, NE --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 9 08:00:06 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id IAA04595 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:00:04 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: "Hazen, Dwight L" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] List for TS-2000 users? Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:59:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB6403556B49@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Is there a list for TS-2000 users. I just got one to keep my D700 and D7 company! > Hi Listers, > Is there a list for D700 users? have just bought a new D700, to > keep the D7a company! Dwight --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 9 08:32:09 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id IAA09438 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:32:08 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.usna.edu: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:30:45 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: List for TS-2000 users? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Hazen, Dwight L wrote: > > Is there a list for TS-2000 users. I just got one to keep my D700 and D7 > company! If someone in your area is running APRSdata and sending out the once every 10 minute SAT-SKED to the DX list, then the TS-2000 should capture that as a DX spot and display it on the front panel. Other than that, I don't think the TS-2000 does anything else in stand alone mode for APRS... Unless we got lucky and they also let it decode APRS STATUS... ? Bob --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 9 12:02:15 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id MAA06392 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:02:12 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: fixup-htaprs@tapr.org@fixme Message-ID: Reply-To: "Jim Gill" From: "Jim Gill" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: TS 2000's lack of APRS Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:55:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <017301c07a66$3a73e2e0$0400a8c0@compaq> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk FYI- According to Kenwood: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leo Fahmie" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 11:21 AM Thank you for your e-mail. I would have to add that most people I have asked about APRS said they would not like to tie up an all mode transceiver like the NEW TS-2000 to just operate APRS, and I would have to agree. Since you have mentioned APRS you probably have some station already operating on APRS. This transceiver has no equal.......73 --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 9 14:38:30 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id OAA26616 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:38:29 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:45:59 +0100 (CET) From: "PE1RDW (Andre)" X-Sender: aprs@pe1rdw.ampr.org To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: Uncompressed positions from D7/D700 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Darryl Smith wrote: > People, > > Is there any way to get uncompressed position reports out of a > D7/D7(G)/D700? > > Many thanks > > Darryl > Yes. go to pkt mode hook up a computer and set the beacontext and beacon every. disconect the computer but leave in pkt mode. the d7/d7(g)/d700 acts like a normal tapr style tnc 73 de Andre PE1RDW aprsdigi co-ordinator Netherlands member aprs workgroup netherlands mailto:pe1rdw@aprsnl.org --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 9 22:22:34 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id WAA02326 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:22:34 -0600 (CST) From: "rbarrone" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Using Delorme Street Atlas with Winaprs Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 21:47:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I presently have the Delorme "Street Atlas", and would like to use these maps with Winaprs. Does anyone know if it can be done and if so how? Thanks, Roger using a tm-d700 and a tm-d7(G) --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 9 23:07:29 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id XAA04298 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 23:07:27 -0600 (CST) From: "Paul E. Knupke, Jr." To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] RE: Using Delorme Street Atlas with Winaprs Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:07:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk WinAPRS doesn't currently have any ability to be interfaced with Street Atlas. Street level mapping for WinAPRS uses a package called Precision Mapping by Chicago Mapping. I don't off the top of my head where you can get it Precision mapping though. If you desire to use Street Atlas, give Brent Hildebrand's (KH2Z), APRS+SA a try! It is downloadable at the following ftp site: ftp://ftp.tapr.org/aprssig/winstuff/aprsplus/ You will need to download: APRS+1.ZIP APRS+2.ZIP and the latest update BETA199YG.ZIP Its interface is considerbly different than WinAPRS so it takes some getting used to but I find I run APRS+SA most of the time except when the weather features of WinAPRS (county maps etc.) are neccessary during weather events. Brent has taken a different approach to APRS with his package but its quite a nice program. Brent continues to be active on the APRSSIG and there is also an APRSPLUS mailing list which you can subscribe to (send email to majordomo@k8sn.org and in the text put subscribe APRSPLUS.) 73 Paul N4PK > > > Hi, I presently have the Delorme "Street Atlas", and would like > > to use these > > maps with Winaprs. Does anyone know if it can be done and if so how? > > --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 9 23:46:58 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id XAA06424 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 23:46:57 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 21:46:48 -0800 From: Russ Brown Organization: @Home Network X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Wiring half-volume external speaker? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3A5BF748.C00E8C29@home.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk I'd like to wire a small 8 ohm external speaker to my TH-D7 but with a twist: The HT itself will be out of reach (for aerodynamic reasons) and I'd like to be able to flip a SPDT switch to bring the normal volume down to about half. Would a circuit guru please take a moment to explain in layman's terms what size resistors would be needed and where they go? Thanks, Russ Brown, KB6LUD --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 10 03:47:10 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id DAA05874 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 03:47:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Darryl Smith" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] 1Re: Uncompressed positions from D7/D700 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:49:47 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <001601c07aea$aaf08800$32ae2acb@dell.radio-active.net.au> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk People Thanks to those who answered my query. I have come up with some other information too. The D700 can send uncompressed position reports, but only in PACKET TNC mode, and then things like the LCD SPEED screen stops working the format of the data being sent is VK2TDS>GPS:$PNTS,1,0,10,01,2001,001853,3400.4672,S,15051.7165,E,34,54.00,0,, 000,1*2E YES, It does start $PNTS, a PRIVATE NMEA string. 3rd, 4th and 5th strings are the date. Then the time. Following that is Lat and Long. What I cannot work out is the numbers after that. For instance the number after the E seems to go from 0 to 60. The next varies from 0 to about 65 so might be speed. The 2E after the * is the checksum. The position can be sent using LOC EVERY [1-255] where there is a multiplier of 10 for the position timing. Thus setting a LOC EVERY 1 will beacon every 10 seconds Also there is a strange command... LTMON EVERY 1-255 which displays the GPS position from the GPS as if it was a packet that had just been received, but the multiplyer is 1 second. LTMON EVERY 1 displays the GPS position every second, BUT only if you are monitoring packets being received. In my application where I want more often transmissions on a different frequency, I will set LTMON to the timing I want. Then I will get a microcontroller to monitor for the GPS position, and send it back to the TNC without callsign, or maybe just take the straight GPS info and push it into the TNC programmed at the rate I want.. Not perfect, but it will work. Hope this helps everyone, and if someone works out the full definition of the $PNTS string, let me know. Darryl --------- Darryl Smith, VK2TDS POBox 169 Ingleburn NSW 2565 Australia Mobile Number 0412 929 634 [+61 4 12 929 634 International] Darryl@radio-active.net.au | www.radio-active.net.au for domain names --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 10 04:15:20 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id EAA07280 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 04:15:16 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:15:00 +0000 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Roger Barker Subject: [htaprs] Re: 1Re: Uncompressed positions from D7/D700 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk In article , Darryl Smith writes >People > >Thanks to those who answered my query. I have come up with some other >information too. The D700 can send uncompressed position reports, but only >in PACKET TNC mode, and then things like the LCD SPEED screen stops working >the format of the data being sent is > > >VK2TDS>GPS:$PNTS,1,0,10,01,2001,001853,3400.4672,S,15051.7165,E,34,54.00,0,, >000,1*2E > >YES, It does start $PNTS, a PRIVATE NMEA string. I think it only send $PNTS because the GPSTEXT parameter in the TM-D700 TNC defaults to $PNTS. Try changing GPSTEXT to $GPRMC, or whatever. -- Roger Barker, G4IDE - roger@peaksys.co.uk For UI-View go to - http://www.packetradio.org.uk For WinPack go to - http://www.peaksys.co.uk --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 10 09:08:35 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id JAA27481 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:08:28 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: From: "Lee Ciereszko" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] RE: Wiring half-volume external speaker? Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:04:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk A 8 Ohm resistor in series with the speaker would cut the power in half (V=I*R, I=V/R, I/2=V/2R, P=V*I, P/2=V*(I/2)). This would be a 3 dB drop ave any more in power. I would recommend wiring up a 50 or 100 Ohm pot first, setting the volume in each switch position, and then read the value of the pot with a multimeter. Then substitute a 1 Watt resistor of the same (or close value). If you have any more questions please feel free to call me @ 305-992-5978 since my typing is very slow. I'll even call you back (have free long distance) Russ wrote: I'd like to wire a small 8 ohm external speaker to my TH-D7 but with a twist: The HT itself will be out of reach (for aerodynamic reasons) and I'd like to be able to flip a SPDT switch to bring the normal volume down to about half. Would a circuit guru please take a moment to explain in layman's terms what size resistors would be needed and where they go? Lee Ciereszko N4TCW Find Lee: http://map.findu.com/n4tcw --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 10 13:23:54 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id NAA24808 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:23:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: tarnerich@in-situ.com (Tony Arnerich) To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] RE: Wiring half-volume external speaker? Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:21:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <01C07AFF.D8DBB360.tarnerich@in-situ.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Russ Brown asks: >I'd like to be able to flip a SPDT switch to bring the normal volume >down to about half. Would a circuit guru please take a moment to >explain in layman's terms what size resistors would be needed and where >they go? On my home packet station I usually don't want to listen to the APRS channel activity, but I need to to do it every now and then. When listening, sometimes I want full volume, and sometimes I want it "a lot quieter". "1/2 as loud" is basically "just about as loud". Your ears have a logarithmic response with a 2x change being a pretty small increment. The first thing I tried was to add an 8 ohm resistor in series but the difference was minimal. Here's what works for me, and it all fits easily into the box of nearly any external speaker. I have a SPDT switch that has three detent positions (ON-OFF-ON, available at Radio Shack). The incoming signal line goes to the center lug. One outside lug goes direct to the speaker, the opposite outside lug goes to the speaker via a 100 ohm resistor. This works out to about 0.5% of the power being consumed in the speaker as compared to a direct connection which I think works out very well. Before having done that math I would have called it "1/10 as loud" which goes to show the nonlinear nature of human senses. If that turns out to be too quiet for your preference, you can always add another 100 ohm resistor in parallel to the first one. Another thing I installed in the speaker box is a 1/8" speaker jack (same size as the plug on the speaker's cord) which is wired directly to the incoming signal lead. This gives me the ability to attach a TNC to the same audio source without any need to unplug any cables. The resistor goes into the "hot" lead - all ground points tie together with no resistors or switches. One thing to note is that most external speakers, at least the ones Radio Shack carries anyway, don't have shielded cables. You might find that you need it, but it shouldn't be too difficult to swap that in place of the zipcord style wire. 73, Tony KD7TA --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 10 14:23:50 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id OAA00752 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:23:49 -0600 (CST) From: "Mario Boccarossa" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Kenwood TH-D7A for sale Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:26:06 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I have a like new Kenwood TH-D7A (not a G)for sale. Also included is a Comet SMA-24 17" antenna, and sma to uhf adapter. $299.00 517-655-9243 or mbfuser@msn.com Thanks, Mario WA8YRJ --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 10 17:22:40 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id RAA22259 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:22:36 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: From: "BobD" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Anyone heard ISS on packet? Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:15:37 -0500 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <000301c07b5c$1c564f40$0700a8c0@eticomm.net> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk I listened 24 Hr./day since Saturday but didn't hear a peep here in SNJ. Did anyone copy the beacon from the ISS(RZ3DZR)? I had my Citadel portable setup in the shack and have since moved it to the truck. It's the first time I have had it mounted in a vehicle other than to try out different places for mounting. The display is great even during the day. I have a small footprint 84-key keyboard that I am using with it so I am not restricted to using the touch screen. The touch screen is great for zooming in/out as the keyboard (not having a dedicated numeric keypad) requires hitting two keys to do Pg-Up/Dwn or Home keystrokes. I also want to edit the autoexec.bat to give a menu choice of which config file to load and to copy the CFIGxxx.APR file from D:\ to C:\ when exiting APRStch. I looked through the readme files but didn't see anything about being able to re-center the screen using the touch screen, is this possible? I'd like to be able to just tap once or twice on a spot on the map and have it redraw with that point as the center. Right now if I tap on the screen it 'hooks' the nearest object which is handy too and I wouldn't want to lose that capability. Did anyone ever come up with a source for the power plug on the Citadel? I'd like to make up a 12VDC power cable and do away with the AC inverter I am running now. I guess I could cut the cable on the wall transformer and make a connector using power poles or such but I prefer not to. So if anyone knows a source and part number I would like to hear of it. TIA, Bob, N2IPH --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 10 19:31:23 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id TAA04679 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:31:23 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.usna.edu: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:30:57 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: Anyone heard ISS on packet? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, BobD wrote: > I [moved] my Citadel ... to the truck.... > > The display is great even during the day. I have a small footprint > 84-key keyboard that I am using with it so I am not restricted to > using the touch screen. The touch screen is great for zooming in/out > as the keyboard (not having a dedicated numeric keypad) requires > hitting two keys to do Pg-Up/Dwn or Home keystrokes. Hit MAPS-UP and or MAPS-DOWN. These can be done with one finger. HINT: If there is anything you want to do with APRSdos and it takes more than one finger... then you haven't searched long enough.. hi hi... (more or less....) de WB4APR@amsat.org, Bob See my APRS LIVE pages http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/aprs.html See APRS SATELLITES http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/astars.html See MIM/Mic-E/Mic-Lite http://www.toad.net/~wclement/mim2.htm --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 10 21:00:18 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id VAA11518 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:00:17 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:59:55 -0500 (EST) From: John W Wilson Subject: [htaprs] Can't do Packet with TH-D7A To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk I have an un-modified TH-D7A, non-G, that has done packet in the past but does not now. I can run APRS with my Tripmate, and can run the Kenwood software to upload and download the memories. I should be able to use that same cable to run packet, since I can go both ways, send and receive to the program, with it. I have it set for 9600. I can get the TASCO sign-on sometimes. No packet anymore. Any hints? Thanks, John W. Wilson, KN4HX z004391b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 11 00:29:49 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id AAA01535 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:29:41 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: fixup-htaprs@lists.tapr.org@fixme Message-Id: X-Sender: sparkfel@pop.primenet.com Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:29:10 -0600 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Mark Fellhauer Subject: [htaprs] Re: Can't do Packet with TH-D7A In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010111002737.00b112d0@pop.primenet.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk What OS are you Using? What terminal program are you using? Try using something other than hyperterm. 73, Mark KC7BXS At 08:59 PM 1/10/01, John W Wilson wrote: >I have an un-modified TH-D7A, non-G, that has done packet in the past >but >does not now. --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 11 01:28:46 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id BAA04386 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 01:28:44 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:28:40 GMT Message-Id: To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: Uncompressed positions from D7/D700 From: Carl Littlejohns Reply-To: carl_mail@dr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk > I did this with an ordinary PacCom TNC and Yaesu FT290R, but I programmed > a Basic Stamp Micro to filter all data out, except the $GPRMC string, > then parse it to the TNC. Used it with GPSS. Worked great! > trick would be to let a $GPRMC sentence hit the TNC every 30 seconds, > just like beacon timing. You probably know but others might not that The Paccomm tiny 2 has a GPS mode if you just want to connect a GPS to a beaconing TNC. It will seach for any string from the GPS (say one containing $GPRMC ) copy it to LTEXT and then beacon it at an interval set by LOC (which works just like the BEACON command. I had my GPS feeding NMEA stuff into the Tiny2 and into a Psion computer for moving map display, or to the THD7 giving me messaging as well as a remote handi for digi-ing off the car from its flexi antenna. Carl --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 11 05:26:32 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id FAA00483 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 05:26:31 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: tlink@rocknet.net.au Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:27:29 +1000 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Jack Chomley Subject: [htaprs] Re: Uncompressed positions from D7/D700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010111212729.008e5b30@rocknet.net.au> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk At 07:28 AM 1/11/2001 GMT, Carl wrote: Jack's original post> >> I did this with an ordinary PacCom TNC and Yaesu FT290R, but I programmed >> a Basic Stamp Micro to filter all data out, except the $GPRMC string, >> then parse it to the TNC. Used it with GPSS. Worked great! >> trick would be to let a $GPRMC sentence hit the TNC every 30 seconds, >> just like beacon timing.> >You probably know but others might not that >The Paccomm tiny 2 has a GPS mode if you just want to connect a GPS to a >beaconing TNC. It will seach for any string from the GPS (say one containing >$GPRMC ) copy it to LTEXT and then beacon it at an interval set by LOC (which >works just like the BEACON command. > >I had my GPS feeding NMEA stuff into the Tiny2 and into >a Psion computer for moving map display, or to the THD7 giving me messaging >as well as a remote handi for digi-ing off the car from its flexi antenna. >Carl I did this Micro project, because at the time, my TNC only had a 1.16D4 revison EPROM, alas no GPS/APRS etc. I ran it in transparent mode at the time. Jack Chomley VK4JRC (waiting for new D700 to arrive!) --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 11 08:17:49 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id IAA11228 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:17:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 06:17:02 -0800 From: Glenn Cummings X-Accept-Language: en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: Troubles with THD7A connecting to Dell notebook References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3A5DC05E.44FB9CA1@foxinternet.net> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Comment: With my Dell Latitude CP 233, the TH-D7 in packet mode worked just fine with APRS+SA. Could be certain models can and can't > At 02:24 AM 1/4/01, Frank van Weerdenburg wrote: > > >Could there be a difference between an rs232 port of a notebook and an rs232 > >of a desktop? --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 11 08:27:08 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id IAA12358 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:27:00 -0600 (CST) To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Reply-To: gregg.wonderly@pobox.com Subject: [htaprs] Re: Can't do Packet with TH-D7A In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:29:10 -0600. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:21:03 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Gregg G. Wonderly" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <21014.979222863@skymaster.c2-tech.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk >What OS are you Using? What terminal program are you using? Try using >something other than hyperterm. > >At 08:59 PM 1/10/01, John W Wilson wrote: >>I have an un-modified TH-D7A, non-G, that has done packet in the past >>but >>does not now. There are only three lines into the serial port on the radio, thus no flow control lines. If your terminal program is set for hardware flow control, it may not like that it does not see control signals on the hardware flow control lines. Set flow control to software or none and see if that fixes the problem. ----- gregg@c2-tech.com (C2 Technologies Inc) --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 11 10:40:16 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id KAA23638 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:40:14 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: tarnerich@in-situ.com (Tony Arnerich) To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] RE: Wiring half-volume external speaker? Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:37:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <01C07BB2.258F0920.tarnerich@in-situ.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk "Lee Ciereszko" wrote: >A 8 Ohm resistor in series with the speaker would cut the power in half >(V=I*R, I=V/R, I/2=V/2R, P=V*I, P/2=V*(I/2)). It would cut the power draw out of the radio by half, but the power coming from the speaker would be 1/4. Doubling R halves the current. The added resistor takes half the voltage drop. The speaker now has half the voltage at half the current (makes sense, because it's resistance didn't change). The speaker and the resistor each dissipate 1/4 of the original power. This is just a rough guide though because the impedance of a cheap speaker varies wildly as a function of frequency. 73, Tony KD7TA --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 11 14:24:58 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id OAA14490 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:24:58 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:24:53 Subject: [htaprs] Handspring PDA To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: "Thomas E. Hatton" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Message-Id: Precedence: bulk Has anyone used a Handspring Visor (Palm OS) with PalmAPRS? Is the connector interface the same as a Palm Pilot? Thanks in advance 73 Tom KE4PCV [personal computer victim] --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 11 14:28:55 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id OAA14655 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:28:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:28:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Curt Mills, WE7U" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: Handspring PDA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Fluke Corporation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Thomas E. Hatton wrote: > Has anyone used a Handspring Visor (Palm OS) with PalmAPRS? > Is the connector interface the same as a Palm Pilot? I have. It's not the same. Check the palmAPRS site for info about the visor and how to use it. One of the tricks is that you have to supply power to the cable somehow. Some of the new cables that you can buy from 3rd party vendors may steal power for the interface circuitry from the Visor itself, but the default dock from Handspring steals power from the DE-9 side via 2 handshake lines. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin "Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math." -- unknown "Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates." -- WE7U --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 12 12:38:34 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id MAA29170 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:38:32 -0600 (CST) From: GeorgegeeG@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:37:58 EST Subject: [htaprs] Re: htaprs digest: January 11, 2001 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_79.ed04628.2790a906_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <79.ed04628.2790a906@aol.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk --part1_79.ed04628.2790a906_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit : > I have a Psion 3a, what software were you using? Also, what software can I use (in the Psion) to do packet with my TH7aG? Thanks, in advance es 73's de George WB2GTC --part1_79.ed04628.2790a906_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit :


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I have a Psion 3a,  what software were you using?  Also, what software can I
use (in the Psion) to do packet with my TH7aG?

Thanks, in advance    es 73's de George WB2GTC
--part1_79.ed04628.2790a906_boundary-- --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 12 15:11:44 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id PAA14542 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:11:44 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: tlink@rocknet.net.au Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 07:11:18 +1000 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Jack Chomley Subject: [htaprs] Re: htaprs digest: January 11, 2001 Now Psion... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010113071118.00909370@rocknet.net.au> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk At 01:37 PM 1/12/2001 EST, WB2GTC wrote: >: > > >a Psion computer for moving map display > > > Also, what software can I >use (in the Psion) to do packet with my TH7aG? > George, I have 2 Psions, a 3c & 3mx and use a Packet Program called PocPac. It was written by Roger Muggleton G0HZK, GB7WIR. My version is 3.28 30th October 96. Its a great program! Does all the usual packet things! Has TNC configuration and Macro menu programs too. I think I got it off Steve Litchfield's Psion site, about 4 years ago. Packet is one of the only things I use the Psions for now......there is no support for them anymore, that I know of. Maybe I should have got a Series 5 when they came out, but I switched to Palm instead, have a IIIx and IIIc. But the Psion + the THD7A is a great portable combination! Jack Chomley VK4JRC --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sat Jan 13 01:22:33 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id BAA10267 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 01:22:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: References: <200101122308310860.0340495C@mail.in-con.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 23:21:48 -0800 Reply-To: carndt@slonet.org From: "Chris Arndt" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: Anyone heard ISS on packet? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <200101122321480500.034C71AA@mail.in-con.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Looks like it may have not been on yet. >From today's ARRL Letter, * ARISS packet system to be activated: The ISS Expedition 1 crew was expected to turn on the packet system sometime this week. The Amateur Radio on the International Space Station packet system will identify as RZ3DZR-1. It will uplink on 145.99 MHz and downlink on 145.80 MHz. When the system is activated and the ISS is within view, Earth stations can expect to hear a periodic beacon every two minutes. Earth stations may send unformatted informational (UI) packets to the ISS (ie, it should be operational for APRS beacons). Earth stations are asked to refrain from using the Packet Mailbox System at this time, however, since the crew does not have the computer hooked up to read messages. Do not transmit on the packet uplink until you have heard the packet beacon. If you copy the packet system, let ARISS know and save your information for a future QSL card. For more information on ARISS, visit the ARISS Web site, http://ariss.gsfc.nasa.gov/ .--Frank Bauer, KA3HDO Material from The ARRL Letter may be republished or reproduced in whole or in part in any form without additional permission. Credit must be given to The ARRL Letter and The American Radio Relay League. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 1/10/01 at 6:15 PM BobD wrote: >I listened 24 Hr./day since Saturday but didn't hear a peep here >in SNJ. Did anyone copy the beacon from the ISS(RZ3DZR)? > > --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sun Jan 14 03:03:53 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id DAA21610 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 03:03:52 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: tlink@rocknet.net.au Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:05:08 +1000 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Jack Chomley Subject: [htaprs] THD7A (G) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010114190508.00793e10@rocknet.net.au> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Hi Listers, My THD7A has a problem with the TNC...it seems to lock the radio up, when it gets swamped with data. Does the upgrade fix this problem? Jack Chomley VK4JRC --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sun Jan 14 03:12:11 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id DAA21888 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 03:12:03 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: fixup-htaprs@lists.tapr.org@fixme Message-Id: X-Sender: sparkfel@pop.primenet.com Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 03:11:41 -0600 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Mark Fellhauer Subject: [htaprs] Re: THD7A (G) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010114030538.00b175e0@pop.primenet.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk At 03:05 AM 1/14/01, Jack Chomley wrote: >My THD7A has a problem with the TNC...it seems to lock the >radio up, when it gets swamped with data. >Does the upgrade fix this problem? NO. There is a known issue with the TNC in 1200 baud APRS mode that causes it to stop decoding packets when large packets are sent. In 9600 BPS packet mode the TNC is crippled by the fact that maximum abaud is 9600 BPS and the internal buffer is too small to deal with more than a few lines of text. The upgrade does not fix either one of these flaws. 73, Mark KC7BXS --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sun Jan 14 08:33:26 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id IAA21255 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 08:33:23 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: r100rt@mail (Unverified) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:28:13 -0500 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Lee Dickinson Subject: [htaprs] Re: THD7A (G) Cc: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010114092412.00a38e40@mail> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk At 03:11 AM 1/14/01 -0600, Mark Fellhauer wrote: >There is a known issue with the TNC in 1200 baud APRS mode that causes it >to stop decoding packets when large packets are sent. > >In 9600 BPS packet mode the TNC is crippled by the fact that maximum abaud >is 9600 BPS and the internal buffer is too small to deal with more than a >few lines of text. > >The upgrade does not fix either one of these flaws. This is of major concern to me as I am considering the purchase of a TH-D7A very soon. I emailed Kenwood to ask the factory's perspective on the problem. I am new here, so you folks may have already done this. If not, I will pass along what they have to say. - Lee 73 de K4LAD - Lee A. Dickinson QTH: Colbert, Georgia, USA (Grid: EM84ja) http://www.qrz.com/database?callsign=k4lad --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sun Jan 14 10:52:58 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id KAA04707 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:52:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: "Walter Dunckel" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" References: Subject: [htaprs] Re: THD7A (G) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 08:55:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <001301c07e4a$cfffc760$0500a8c0@ix.netcom.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk The TH-D7A(G) upgrade has fixed my lockup problems. Before the upgrade, my radio would lock up one or more times each day. The upgraded model has yet to lock up on me, and I have had it for over six months now. I know this was a concern of Kenwood's for the upgrade. This is one of the things that they wanted to fix. They had me test out a pre-release version of the upgrade to see if it would help the lockup problem. It did not have the bells and whistles the G model did, but it did stop my lockup problem. Now it is upgraded to the G model, and I have been lockup free ever since. Walter KD6VYV http://www.radiohound.com > My THD7A has a problem with the TNC...it seems to lock the > radio up, when it gets swamped with data. > Does the upgrade fix this problem? > > Jack Chomley > VK4JRC --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sun Jan 14 11:21:09 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id LAA08167 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:21:08 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: fixup-htaprs@lists.tapr.org@fixme Message-Id: X-Sender: sparkfel@pop.primenet.com Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:20:50 -0600 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Mark Fellhauer Subject: [htaprs] Re: THD7A (G) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010114111823.00b1d9d0@pop.primenet.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk At 10:55 AM 1/14/01, Walter Dunckel wrote: >The TH-D7A(G) upgrade has fixed my lockup problems. There are different "lockups" of the TH-D7. Send it a packet 157 bytes or longer in 1200 Baud APRS mode. It will stop decoding packets. Connect to a 9600 BPS BBS and try to decode more than 2 or 3 lines. It will stop responding. Mark --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sun Jan 14 11:52:58 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id LAA13083 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:52:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: "Walter Dunckel" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" References: Subject: [htaprs] Re: THD7A (G) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:55:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <002b01c07e53$3940b060$0500a8c0@ix.netcom.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk I live in an extremely busy APRS area. There must not be too many >157 byte packets being sent here in Silicon Valley since I have never experienced a "G" lockup on APRS. Odds are if you live anywhere else, you probably aren't going to see one either. Haven't tried it on 9600 BBS's though. Walter KD6VYV > There are different "lockups" of the TH-D7. Send it a packet 157 bytes or > longer in 1200 Baud APRS mode. It will stop decoding packets. Connect > to a 9600 BPS BBS and try to decode more than 2 or 3 lines. It will stop > responding. > > Mark --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sun Jan 14 12:04:26 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id MAA14715 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 12:04:17 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: "Mark Turner" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" References: Subject: [htaprs] Re: THD7A (G) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:04:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <004301c07e54$6e03cf70$94eecbc2@melpomene> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Mark said.... > > There are different "lockups" of the TH-D7. Send it a packet 157 bytes or > longer in 1200 Baud APRS mode. It will stop decoding packets. Connect > to a 9600 BPS BBS and try to decode more than 2 or 3 lines. It will stop > responding. I also have the 1200 baud problem in KISS mode, or at least I think I do because the symptoms are the same. Several times a day my TH-D7E stops responding, usually with one or two packets displayed in the little box on the lcd as being in what I think is the outward queue. Cheers, Mark. --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sun Jan 14 13:52:02 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id NAA22927 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:52:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: Jim Ek To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Don't Understand Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 14:46:23 -0500 Encoding: 48 TEXT List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <01C07E38.DADA93C0@228.st-louis-165-170rs.mo.dial-access.att.net> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk I am just starting to try to understand APRS. Am a neophyte to the topics of Packet and APRS. In packet radio, a packet can be addressed to a specific station and use up to something like 6 interim stations to arrive. I don't have a packet set up yet, so this is based on reading I've been doing. However with APRS a signal can be sent out on a common frequency, and can later show up on the internet with a graphical representation on a number of APRS related sites. I have an elementary understanding of Internet Gateways. It is getting to the gateways that has me perplexed. A signal goes out on say 144.39. That signal is picked up by another station running APRS that is not a Internet Gateway. I assume the station has the option of being set up like a type of digital repeater, except staying on the same frequency. Let's say that station retransmits the packet and is picked up by a number of other APRS stations. A number of those APRS stations retransmit the packet and it is picked up by another group of APRS stations, including the station that just sent the packet to this group. What stops the packets from being sent in perpetuity? But yet there must be some retransmit of packets to get them to the Internet Gateways. Is it the software associated with APRS that limits the retransmission of packets. Is there some type of counter connected to the packet so the packet is only retransmitted so many times? Does the software keep a shortterm library of accepted packets and doesn't retransmit packets already on file? Is there a time stamp on the packet and it isn't retransmitted after a specific period of time? Of course then there is an issue of properly sychronized time! Last night when I was surfing the web, I was a site, I believe Bob Bruninga's which showed showed DX APRS. How does that work? It's obvious APRS packets don't retransmit forever.....Yet there is DX APRS? I apologize if this is the wrong forum for these questions. It's just that I couldn't find the answers suring the web. Thanks much and have a GREAT DAY! 73's - or should I be putting that it hexadecimal notation? Jim Ek KB9VEZ Bloomington, IN --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sun Jan 14 14:02:31 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id OAA24191 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 14:02:25 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: fixup-htaprs@lists.tapr.org@fixme Message-Id: X-Sender: sparkfel@pop.primenet.com Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 14:02:10 -0600 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Mark Fellhauer Subject: [htaprs] Re: Don't Understand In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010114140104.00b30c20@pop.primenet.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk At 01:46 PM 1/14/01, Jim Ek wrote: >What stops the packets from being sent in perpetuity? South Dakota and free space loss. :) 73, Mark KC7BXS --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sun Jan 14 15:08:47 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id PAA00563 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:08:46 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.usna.edu: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 16:08:07 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: THD7A (G) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, Walter Dunckel wrote: > I live in an extremely busy APRS area. There must not be too many >157 byte > packets being sent here in Silicon Valley since I have never experienced a > "G" lockup on APRS. Odds are if you live anywhere else, you probably aren't > going to see one either. Haven't tried it on 9600 BBS's though. Yepk, there are no legal APRS protocol packets of that length... bob --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sun Jan 14 15:38:46 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id PAA02280 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:38:45 -0600 (CST) From: "Byon Garrabrant" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:38:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [htaprs] Re: THD7A (G) Message-ID: Priority: normal References: In-reply-to: List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3A61ABCA.6490.3964C71@localhost> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On 14 Jan 2001, at 16:08, Bob Bruninga wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, Walter Dunckel wrote: > > > I live in an extremely busy APRS area. There must not be too many > > >157 byte packets being sent here in Silicon Valley since I have > > never experienced a "G" lockup on APRS. Odds are if you live > > anywhere else, you probably aren't going to see one either. Haven't > > tried it on 9600 BBS's though. > > Yepk, there are no legal APRS protocol packets of that length... What is the maximum length of a legal APRS protocol packet? I notice the APRS Spec describes the MIC-E format Status Text with "The status text may be any length that fits in the rest of the Information field." If I wanted to put a 200 byte status message in a MIC-E beacon, would that not be legal? Byon ________________________________________ Byon Garrabrant N6BG byon@mail.com --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sun Jan 14 17:46:44 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id RAA15216 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:46:40 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.usna.edu: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:46:26 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: THD7A (G) In-Reply-To: <3A61ABCA.6490.3964C71@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, Byon Garrabrant wrote: > What is the maximum length of a legal APRS protocol packet? I > notice the APRS Spec describes the MIC-E format Status Text > with "The status text may be any length that fits in the rest of the > Information field." If I wanted to put a 200 byte status message in > a MIC-E beacon, would that not be legal? That was an oversight. The lengths of text fields (from memory more or less) are (I think): STATUS 67 (20 in D7, 28 in D700) POSITION Comment 53 (20 in THD7, 28 in D700) Messages and Bulletins 63 (45 in D7, 64? in D700) The correct lengths should be in the spec.. de WB4APR, Bob --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sun Jan 14 18:28:21 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id SAA19128 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:28:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:26:13 -0500 From: Alex Reply-To: kg4ecv@earthlink.net X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" CC: Byon Garrabrant Subject: [htaprs] Re: THD7A (G) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3A6243A5.9EA5553@earthlink.net> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Good question. Perhaps the answer should be the maximum length of a UI frame. If I'm not mistaken, there's also no maximum length specified for NWS bulletins, and the same goes for telemetry report messages. And how about third party traffic and user defined data formats? 73s, --Alex Byon Garrabrant wrote: > What is the maximum length of a legal APRS protocol packet? I > notice the APRS Spec describes the MIC-E format Status Text > with "The status text may be any length that fits in the rest of the > Information field." If I wanted to put a 200 byte status message in > a MIC-E beacon, would that not be legal? > > Byon > > ________________________________________ > Byon Garrabrant N6BG byon@mail.com --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sun Jan 14 18:37:58 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id SAA19662 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:37:54 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: tlink@rocknet.net.au (Unverified) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:38:33 +1000 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Jack Chomley Subject: [htaprs] Kenwood THD7A Upgrade to (G) in Australia In-Reply-To: <002201c07e74$35d60b20$a9663c3e@alan300> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010115103833.00b37520@rocknet.net.au> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Hi Listers, After a week of negotiations with Kenwood Australia, I have managed to convince them to offer the (G) upgrade to all Austrailian owners of THD7A's. The THD7E model will NOT be considered for the upgrade. The upgrade will be done by Kenwood Japan, the cost will be US$60 per radio. It is hoped that shipping costs can be amortised to a low level, by Kenwood Australia being able to bulk ship radios for upgrading, from Australia. Please contact the dealer, from whom you purchased your radio, OR: Kenwood Australia 16 Giffnock Avenue Centre Court Estate North Ryde N.S.W. 2113 Phone 02 88792211 (Service) Phone 02 88792216 (Sales) Jack Chomley Australia VK4JRC --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sun Jan 14 18:57:52 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id SAA22218 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:57:46 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:50:29 -0500 From: Arte Booten Reply-To: n2zrc@arrl.net X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" CC: HT APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: Don't Understand References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3A624955.F1F03F95@webspan.net> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Hi Jim, You wrote: >... a packet can be addressed to a specific station and use up to 6 in- >terim stations to arrive. With APRS a signal goes out on 144.39. That >signal is picked up by another station running APRS. I assume the sta- >tion has the option of [being] a digital repeater, staying on the same >frequency. That station retransmits the packet and is picked up by o- >ther APRS stations. Some of them retransmit it,and it >is picked up >by others, including the station that sent the packet to the group. Fact is, your question is far more complicated than I think you re- alize! Path selection is probably the most slippery aspect of APRS you could try to tackle. In trying to answer your question, APRS uses two different ways of determining the direction and number of retransmissions (hops) a given packet will take. Users can pick specific calls to digipeat through. This is generally used when a packet needs to go in one specific direc- ction. It's also used by fixed (non-mobile or portable) stations for the first hop or two. APRS also uses "generic" callsigns. These include RELAY and WIDE. Most fixed stations have their TNC's set to retransmit packets addressed to RELAY. WIDE digipeaters are particularly well situated so as to be able to hear and be heard well throughout a wide area. Think of them as repeaters for APRS packets. Thus, as you can see, there are several tiers of stations that will retransmit a packet. And the determining factor of how many times one will be retransmitted is the packet's path. The other concept you're having trouble with is that "regular" pa- cket uses a connected protocol: you actually have to establish a connec- tion with a specific station in order to do anything. APRS uses an un- connected protocol, transmitting packets in a "broadcast" manner, not so different from being in a phone net on your local 2-meter repeater. Net control, by-and-large, doesn't transmit to a specific station but, ra- ther, to the group. Eveyone on frequency hears the NCS's transmission and has the information (s)he (and everyone else) has transmitted. APRS works on a similar principle, except it's using quasi-digital signals to do so. Understand? 73 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Arte Booten AEC for Digital Services, NYC ARES/RACES| |Riverdale, New York [FN30bu] !4052.71N/07354.06WNPHG5370/A=00240| |PGP Key Fingerprint: D73E B889 C630 6F4A F31F 3083 56BD 0AAD 9996 3B03| +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Mon Jan 15 10:01:16 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id KAA19174 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:01:15 -0600 (CST) To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Reply-To: gregg.wonderly@pobox.com Subject: [htaprs] Re: [ Arte Booten ] Re: Don't Understand In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:50:29 -0500. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:52:16 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Gregg G. Wonderly" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <10617.979573936@skymaster.c2-tech.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk > Thus, as you can see, there are several tiers of stations that will >retransmit a packet. And the determining factor of how many times one >will be retransmitted is the packet's path. With one other important implementation issue. A digipeater is supposed to ignore the same packet and not retransmit it if it hears it again, within 25 seconds of the first time it heard it. IGATE's that are improperly connected, and paths with excessive elements or using WIDE7-7 or TRACE7-7 can cause a packet to live for an excessive time beyond what you might expect. ----- gregg@c2-tech.com (C2 Technologies Inc) --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Mon Jan 15 10:54:15 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id KAA24093 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:54:08 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:54:0 Subject: [htaprs] TH-D7A(G) To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: "Patrick Beard" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Message-Id: Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, Will the TH-D7A(G) process APRS While I do Voice on VHF at the same time? The Manuals kinda suggest this. I just wanted to check before I make the purchase this week. Thanks for your comments. Patrick KC6TVB --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Mon Jan 15 11:04:57 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id LAA24430 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:04:56 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:09:21 -0600 From: Robbie Robertson X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" CC: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: TH-D7A(G) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3A632EC1.7E2E0C2B@mediaone.net> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Depends what you mean by transmit at the same time, but yes, you can have both A & B sides on two meters.. But if you are transmitting on voice then the aprs will wait til you let go of the ptt before it can beacon the posit.. Good luck -- - Robbie Robertson - ...-.- wa9inf ...-.- --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Mon Jan 15 11:06:55 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id LAA24591 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:06:50 -0600 (CST) From: "Herb Gerhardt, KB7UVC" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] RE: TH-D7A(G) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:08:56 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <000901c07f15$d83a15e0$94a819d0@oemcomputer> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Yes, it will. If you put APRS on the top band and your voice frequency on the bottom band, you can leave it selected to the bottom band for voice communications. Whenever the APRS transmits, it switches to the top band momentarily transmits the data burst and then switches back to the bottom band. Works really neat. If you get the radio, I am sure you will enjoy it. Herb, KB7UVC NW APRS Group, West Sound Coordinator Our WEB Site: www.nwaprs.org My Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/kb7uvc/index.htm > -----Original Message-----> > > Hello everyone, > Will the TH-D7A(G) process APRS While I do Voice on VHF at the same time? > > The Manuals kinda suggest this. I just wanted to check before I make the > purchase this week. > > Thanks for your comments. > > Patrick > KC6TVB --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Mon Jan 15 12:52:02 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id MAA04942 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:52:01 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:59:55 +0100 (CET) From: "PE1RDW (Andre)" X-Sender: aprs@pe1rdw.ampr.org To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: THD7A (G) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, Bob Bruninga wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, Walter Dunckel wrote: > > > I live in an extremely busy APRS area. There must not be too many >157 byte > > packets being sent here in Silicon Valley since I have never experienced a > > "G" lockup on APRS. Odds are if you live anywhere else, you probably aren't > > going to see one either. Haven't tried it on 9600 BBS's though. > > Yepk, there are no legal APRS protocol packets of that length... > > bob > > I have seen packets grow to that length here because of long digi paths but thanks to digi_ned that is solved here. If a packet gets to long it just gets cut of to the corect lenght. 73 de Andre PE1RDW aprsdigi co-ordinator Netherlands member aprs workgroup netherlands mailto:pe1rdw@aprsnl.org > > --- > You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: aprs@pe1rdw.demon.nl > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org > Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org > --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Mon Jan 15 14:28:09 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id OAA17013 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:28:08 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: Patrick Beard To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] RE: TH-D7A(G) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:27:57 -0800 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <34D4BA024561D311AFEA00000000656D0509E754@EXCHCA> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Any comments on connecting a Magellan 315 GPS to the TH-D7A(G)? The research I have done has not specifically said yes. manuals say "Magellan format...". I know the GPS output will be compatible, I was interested in having other station Waypoints display my GPS. Any Westcoast sailors in the group? Sounds like a Great application for this years Newport to Ensenada race. Looking forward to getting this radio! Patrick, KC6TVB -----Original Message----- From: Herb Gerhardt, KB7UVC [mailto:gerhardt@hctc.com] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 9:09 AM To: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] RE: TH-D7A(G) Yes, it will. If you put APRS on the top band and your voice frequency on the bottom band, you can leave it selected to the bottom band for voice communications. Whenever the APRS transmits, it switches to the top band momentarily transmits the data burst and then switches back to the bottom band. Works really neat. If you get the radio, I am sure you will enjoy it. Herb, KB7UVC NW APRS Group, West Sound Coordinator Our WEB Site: www.nwaprs.org My Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/kb7uvc/index.htm > -----Original Message-----> > > Hello everyone, > Will the TH-D7A(G) process APRS While I do Voice on VHF at the same time? > > The Manuals kinda suggest this. I just wanted to check before I make the > purchase this week. > > Thanks for your comments. > > Patrick > KC6TVB --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: patrick@vikingcomponents.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Mon Jan 15 18:56:27 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id SAA16421 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:56:26 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:54:40 -0800 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Jim Hill Subject: [htaprs] Magellan GPS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Patrick Beard wrote: Any comments on connecting a Magellan 315 GPS to the TH-D7A(G)? The research I have done has not specifically said yes. manuals say "Magellan format...". I know the GPS output will be compatible, I was interested in having other station Waypoints display my GPS. I have a Magellan Navigator and had to make an interface circuit so it would work with the TH-D7. The voltage levels were not right. I can supply the circuit if you need it. Jim, K6UUW --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 16 17:32:14 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id RAA22938 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:32:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: "Chris Bouck" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] THD7A (G) Help with rig and APRS Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:32:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008E_01C07FEA.B9C145E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <009101c08014$a4b80b00$d2b0a418@twcny.rr.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C07FEA.B9C145E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am new to APRS and am very frustrated with it. I have had my D7G for a few months now. The radio seems to work fine. = My question is I got the cable to connect to my computer and the = instructions (all 182 pages). The directions do not give very good = instructions on what to do after you hook it up to the computer. I = cannot get the computer to control the rig.=20 Here are my situations, I have two separate issues: Issue one: A. I have the cable connected from the HT to the computer. In my = living room. B. I made an ini file for the tnc and put it in the TNC folder just = like the directions stated. C. Now what? I try to send a msg on the computer thru the HT but = nothing? The HT works fine by itself. What am I doing wrong? Issue 2: On a separate computer, in my shack, (in my attic) I have a computer = hooked to an MFJ 1278 TNC. The tnc and the aprs system work fine for a = while. However, after a few days the program crashes and I have to start = all over again. The problem is every time I reload the program and start over, it = takes me days to get the thing to work again. My question - is there any certain order you should set the system = up when restarting? I have all the parameters written down and when I = restart I enter the same thing. I live in a bad location and need the shack rig to relay my HT signal = to get out into the valley we live in. I cannot get out via the HT = alone. I need to relay to my shack and outside antenna with 50 watts to = get out. Any help will be beneficial. Please respond directly to me at cbouck01@twcny.rr.com Thanks Chris Bouck KB4CMF ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C07FEA.B9C145E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am new to=20 APRS and am very frustrated with it.
 I have had my D7G for a = few months=20 now. The radio seems to work fine. My question is I got the cable to = connect to=20 my computer and the instructions (all 182 pages). The directions do = not=20 give very good instructions on what to do after you hook it up to the = computer.=20 I cannot get the computer to control the rig. 
 Here are=20 my situations, I have two separate issues:
Issue one:
  A. I = have the=20 cable connected from the HT to the computer. In my living = room.
  B. I=20 made an ini file for the tnc and put it in the TNC folder just like the=20 directions stated.
   C. Now what? I try to send a msg on = the=20 computer thru the HT but nothing?
   The HT works fine by = itself.=20 What am I doing wrong?

Issue 2:
   On a separate = computer,=20 in my shack, (in my attic) I have a computer hooked to an MFJ 1278 TNC. = The tnc=20 and the aprs system work fine for a while. However, after a few days the = program=20 crashes and I have to start all over again.
   The problem = is every=20 time I reload the program and start over, it takes me days to get the = thing to=20 work again.
   My question  - is there any certain = order you=20 should set the system up when restarting? I have all the parameters = written down=20 and when I restart I enter the same thing.
   I live in a = bad=20 location and need the shack rig to relay my HT signal to get out into = the valley=20 we live in. I cannot get out via the HT alone. I need to relay to my = shack and=20 outside antenna with 50 watts to get out. Any help will be=20 beneficial.
Please respond=20 directly to me at cbouck01@twcny.rr.com
 =  =20 Thanks Chris Bouck KB4CMF


------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C07FEA.B9C145E0-- --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 17 04:58:57 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id EAA06492 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 04:58:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: "Chris Bouck" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Help with computer and WinAPRS Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 06:00:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C0804A.C4E43800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <002e01c08074$adfd6380$d2b0a418@twcny.rr.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C0804A.C4E43800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am going to take the suggestion to one of the hams that responded = to me to see if someone out there can help me solve my problem with APRS = and my computer. Thanks Pete N1EZT for responding. I have an HP 486 computer in my shack connected to an MFJ 1278 TNC. I = am runnigng Windows 95 and the WinAPRS 2.4.7 software. I know this = system works and that all the cables are connected correctly. I can work = packet and APRS. They have been both up and running.=20 However, after a few days the program crashes I get an error message = and I have to start all over again. I restart the computer, reload the = Winaprs 2.4.7 program and reset all my parameters. Everything seems fine = but I get now stations on my screen and no out going packets. The = problem is - it takes me a long time to get the computer to talk to the = tnc. This time it has been down for 4 days and still not running. I have tried changing almost everything I can think of. My question - = is anyone else having this problem restarting? I have been on our local = nets with other hams running APRS and they cannot figure it out either. = No one can come up with a solution. Is there a sequence I am not = following? Any suggestions will be helpful. Thanks Chris Bouck KB4CMF ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C0804A.C4E43800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C0804A.C4E43800-- --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 17 05:59:05 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id FAA10722 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 05:59:04 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: AE5PL To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] RE: Using Delorme Street Atlas with Winaprs Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 05:58:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <5F1EEAAFA451D311B9750090279C674A080C57@mail.ametx.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk APRS+SA is a very robust Windows application that is designed to work with all versions of Street Atlas. Try downloading from tapr.org. You can see the web interface at aprs.ae5pl.net. Good luck. 73, Pete Loveall AE5PL http://www.ae5pl.net mailto:pete@ae5pl.net -----Original Message----- From: rbarrone [mailto:rbarrone@mediaone.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 10:26 PM To: HT Subject: [htaprs] Using Delorme Street Atlas with Winaprs Hi, I presently have the Delorme "Street Atlas", and would like to use these maps with Winaprs. Does anyone know if it can be done and if so how? Thanks, Roger using a tm-d700 and a tm-d7(G) --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: HamLists@ametx.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 17 08:30:22 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id IAA23717 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:30:21 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 8:30:10 Subject: [htaprs] Re: TH-D7A Upgrade To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: "Randy R. Creller" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Message-Id: Precedence: bulk I upgraded my rig this past November. The service was great and I had it back in my hands in 2 weeks. Not bad considering it had to be shipped UPS in both directions. I think the upgrade is worth it if you plan to begin to work the APRS satelites. Basically you will need to set APRS to uplink on one band and downlink on another all at 9600 baud. As for the other stuff included in the upgrade, The messaging interface is a little easier to program now that the lower case is first. The ability to store 3 status text messages is nice and I like being able to input 3 postions since I have no GPS yet. So thats my take on it. If your not going to begin to work these APRS Satalites then its probably not worth it. And I agree with you if you upgrade one might as well to the other so you can use the same software to program both. Hope this helps, Randy R. Creller RandyRoo@hotmail.com K1RTV Harpers Ferry, WV --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 17 12:06:07 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id MAA17458 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:06:03 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: milnes1@pop.rcn.com Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:05:52 -0500 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Ralph Milnes Subject: [htaprs] Re: THD7A (G) Help with rig and APRS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010117130518.009fa030@pop.rcn.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Chris, I'm in digest mode so I can't tell if anyone has responded yet. And despite your request to reply directly (you probably didn't want to tie up the SIG), questions like this SHOULD get answered on the SIG, so that: a.) others on the SIG know the problem was answered b. others can suggest spinoff ideas, and c. others with the same question can learn. Chris, for your first issue: If you are trying to control it with Kenwood's D7A programming software, the TNC must be off. But for other packet programs the TNC must be in "Packet" mode (as opposed to "APRS" mode). You can only talk to the TNC if it is in Packet mode -- press the TNC button until you see BOTH "TNC" and "Packet" in the display (but first, hook up the radio-to-computer cable with the radio off.) If that doesn't do it, please tell us more about what software you are using and what you mean by "controlling the rig", i.e. control it with what software? On the second issue: what do you mean by it takes you "days to get the thing working again"? How DO you get it working again? by playing with some commands or program settings? The re-start order shouldn't matter too much -- it sounds like you need to be very sure of all the settings you have when you finally get it working -- so you can re-create them. I assume you're running WinAPRS. True or not? 73, Ralph, KC2RLM >I cannot get the computer to control the rig. Here are my situations, I >have two separate issues: --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 17 12:09:07 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id MAA17800 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:09:04 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: milnes1@pop.rcn.com Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:08:09 -0500 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Ralph Milnes Subject: [htaprs] Lyris and quotes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010117130557.009fb600@pop.rcn.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Stan, I tried to reply to a posting and felt I needed to quote most of the message. Lyris kept rejecting my posting saying I had quoted too much. That's a pain. I think the current limit is 15 lines. How about upping it a bit (to 30)? Ralph, KC2RLM --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 17 13:43:14 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id NAA01339 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:43:13 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:43:0 Subject: [htaprs] How can I send a space not underscore in a msg using a TH-D7AG? To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: "Randy R. Creller" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Message-Id: Precedence: bulk Hello, I am interested in sending APRS messages that have spaces between the words and not underscores. How can I do this on a Kenwood TH-D7AG. If I try to skip over to the next character while inputing a message the message is automatically sent. Thanks in advance, 73's Randy R. Creller RandyRoo@hotmail.com K1RTV Harpers Ferry, WV --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 17 13:54:14 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id NAA02201 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:54:10 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:53:54 Subject: [htaprs] Can one use 12 volts to TH-D7AG battery contacts not the 13.7 volt connector To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: "Randy R. Creller" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Message-Id: Precedence: bulk I currently own a TH-D7AG and would like to create some custom connectors etc to do emergency operations with. I purchased a 1600 mAh 9.6V Ni-MH battery (actually an RC Car battery) for $24.95 , thats 1/2 price of the Maha 1000 mAh battery and more mAh to boot. Now I would like to build a connector to use it with my rig. I have purchased the BT-11 auxilary battery pack and I was hoping to see if I could solder some leads of a coiled wire to it and then connect the other end to the battery in my Fanny pack. Does anyone see any problem with this??? Also I would like to know if I could attach a 12V Sealed Lead Acid battery in the same fashion, I.E. to the Battery contacts on the back of the Th-D7AG VS the 13.7 volt input on the side.??? Does anybody see a problem with supplying 12 volts to the battery contacts vs the 13.7 volt connector on the side??? Thanks in Advance, Randy R. Creller RandyRoo@hotmail.com K1RTV Harpers Ferry, WV --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 17 14:04:34 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id OAA03609 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:04:29 -0600 (CST) To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Reply-To: gregg.wonderly@pobox.com Subject: [htaprs] Re: How can I send a space not underscore in a msg using a TH-D7AG? In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:43:00. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:59:58 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Gregg G. Wonderly" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <13263.979761598@skymaster.c2-tech.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk >I am interested in sending APRS messages that have spaces between the words >and not underscores. > >How can I do this on a Kenwood TH-D7AG. Press the 0 (zero) key to insert a space. ----- gregg@c2-tech.com (C2 Technologies Inc) --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 17 14:11:50 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id OAA04582 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:11:43 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert Donnell" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] RE: How can I send a space not underscore in a msg using a TH-D7AG? Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:11:31 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <000401c080c1$af63f160$3001a8c0@kalmus.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk If memory serves, the zero key inserts a space. -----Original Message----- From: bounce-htaprs-17767@lists.tapr.org [mailto:bounce-htaprs-17767@lists.tapr.org]On Behalf Of Randy R. Creller Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 1:00 PM To: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] How can I send a space not underscore in a msg using a TH-D7AG? 73, Bob ----------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Donnell, KD7NM (206) 542-7661 18828 Midvale Ave N mailto:kd7nm@pugetsound.net Shoreline, WA 98133 Western Washington Amateur IP Address Coordinator ----------------------------------------------------------------- --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 17 14:17:34 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id OAA05471 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:17:27 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:17:16 Subject: [htaprs] Re: SUNSAT, D-7g & Email To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: "Randy R. Creller" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Message-Id: Precedence: bulk Just an FYI before testing the SUNSAT APRS digi's I would suggest that you first attempt to send an email via an APRS IGATE like WU2Z at Rutgers University. I had difficulty at first and found that I was sending an Underscore and not a space after the email address. Seems like the Igate parsers do not recognize this and fail to send the email. On my Th-D7AG the space is the zero key, I was using the ENT key and selecting the underscore _ not a space. After correcting this I was able to get an email within 5 minutes of sending it. Pretty cool. I am rather tickled that I was able to do this without one of those high priced Cell Phone internet connections like Sprint PCS. Next I plan to test sending email to my pager. Seems there is no limit to this stuff. Good luck with your testing. 73's, Randy R. Creller RandyRoo@hotmail.com K1RTV Harpers Ferry, WV --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 17 18:26:44 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id SAA28091 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:26:43 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:26:33 Subject: [htaprs] Sending an EMAIL message via APRS on a Kenwood TH-D7AG To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: "Randy R. Creller" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Message-Id: Precedence: bulk I think I have figured this out. First you must be able to reach a DIGI with an IGATE. I.E. You first have to be able to see yourself at http://www.findu.com. Once you are doing this then the WU2Z IGATE can pick up your messages via TCp/IP and send the email for you. I have looked into this a little further and found that on the TH-D7AG the space key for messages is not at all apparent. What I had been sending was underscore _ instead of a space ' '. I think that the WU2Z IGATE was looking for a space to parce the email address out of the aprs message and thus was failing. Here is what I was typing TO:EMAIL RANDYROO@HOTMAIL.COM_MY_EMAIL_MESSAGE_WENT_HERE This was incorrect. I should have been using the Zero Key for a space on the TH-D7AG. The correct message format is as follows TO:EMAIL RANDYROO@HOTMAIL.COM MY EMAIL MESSAGE WENT HERE This works perfectly every time. I have even been able to email my pager as well, what a hoot. TO:EMAIL p.703365XXXX@metrocall.com MY EMAIL MESSAGE Brevity is the key to all of this and if the arrl.net email reflector was reflecting more reliably this would be the ideal email address for Ham Operators. K1RTV@arrl.net is 14 characters, 15 including the blank after it, and is about as short as you will get. That leaves just 30 characters for a message on the TH-D7AG but it still is worth while. If only I could store more messages to avoid all the typing on the HT. Now for the big question, is it possible to send an Internet Email to an IGATE and get and receive it as an APRS message on my TH-D7AG??? I hope to have an answer soon. Let me know what your thoughts are on this. Thanks for your help, Randy R. Creller RandyRoo@Hotmail.com K1RTV Harpers Ferry, WV --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 17 18:47:54 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id SAA29214 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:47:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: "toast" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" References: Subject: [htaprs] Re: How can I send a space not underscore in a msg using a TH-D7AG? Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:47:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <001a01c080e8$4e590a00$6401a8c0@snet.net> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk To send a space, I hit the 0 (zero). The first hit is a space and the second hit makes it display a zero ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy R. Creller" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 1:00 PM Subject: [htaprs] How can I send a space not underscore in a msg using a TH-D7AG? > Hello, > > I am interested in sending APRS messages that have spaces between the words > and not underscores. > > How can I do this on a Kenwood TH-D7AG. > > If I try to skip over to the next character while inputing a message the > message is automatically sent. > > Thanks in advance, > > 73's > > Randy R. Creller > RandyRoo@hotmail.com > > K1RTV > Harpers Ferry, WV > > --- > You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: toast68@snet.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org > Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org > --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 17 20:08:21 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id UAA06860 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:08:17 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:06:15 -0500 From: Alex Reply-To: kg4ecv@earthlink.net X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" CC: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: Sending an EMAIL message via APRS on a Kenwood TH-D7AG References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3A664F97.E0635D49@earthlink.net> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Hi Randy, That's not possible. One way only. 73s, --Alex "Randy R. Creller" wrote: > Now for the big question, is it possible to send an Internet Email to an > IGATE and get and receive it as an APRS message on my TH-D7AG??? > > I hope to have an answer soon. > > Let me know what your thoughts are on this. > > Thanks for your help, > > Randy R. Creller > RandyRoo@Hotmail.com > > K1RTV > Harpers Ferry, WV > > --- > You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: kg4ecv@earthlink.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org > Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 17 20:36:23 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id UAA08713 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:36:12 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: "Christopher McNabb" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Cc: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" References: Subject: [htaprs] Re: Sending an EMAIL message via APRS on a Kenwood TH-D7AG Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:35:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <001101c080f7$63c7f4a0$0400a8c0@4mcnabb.net> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Actually, it wouldn't be too difficult to develop a small unix script to do just this. The legality of such a thing would be questionable, though. > Hi Randy, > > That's not possible. One way only. > > 73s, > --Alex > > "Randy R. Creller" wrote: > > > Now for the big question, is it possible to send an Internet Email to an > > IGATE and get and receive it as an APRS message on my TH-D7AG??? > > > > I hope to have an answer soon. > > > > Let me know what your thoughts are on this. > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > Randy R. Creller > > RandyRoo@Hotmail.com > > > > K1RTV > > Harpers Ferry, WV > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: kg4ecv@earthlink.net > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org > > Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org > > --- > You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: cmcnabb@4mcnabb.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org > Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org > --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 17 20:45:52 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id UAA10019 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:45:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:45:22 -0700 From: Valentino Sarro X-Accept-Language: en,en-US,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" CC: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: Sending an EMAIL message via APRS on a Kenwood TH-D7AG References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3A6658C2.12620342@telusplanet.net> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Actually I thought the attached link was submitted a while ago as a Public APRS mailer....what, is it not working? (I tried it in the past and could never figure out if it worked). http://dsell.webprovider.com/pubmailer/APRSmailer.htm Tino, VE6SZR Alex wrote: > > Hi Randy, > > That's not possible. One way only. > > 73s, > --Alex > > "Randy R. Creller" wrote: > > > Now for the big question, is it possible to send an Internet Email to an > > IGATE and get and receive it as an APRS message on my TH-D7AG??? > > > > I hope to have an answer soon. > > > > Let me know what your thoughts are on this. > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > Randy R. Creller > > RandyRoo@Hotmail.com > > > > K1RTV > > Harpers Ferry, WV > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: kg4ecv@earthlink.net > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org > > Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org > > --- > You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: sarrov@telusplanet.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org > Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 17 22:08:55 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id WAA16969 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:08:47 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: tomb@t.pop.kiva.net Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:13:26 -0500 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Tom Busch Subject: [htaprs] Re: Sending an EMAIL message via APRS on a Kenwood TH-D7AG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20010117231203.00988100@t.pop.kiva.net> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk >I think this is actually illegal, unless these guys are personally >clearing each message. You cannot allow a non-amateur to cause an amateur >station to transmit without a control operator present. > >TomB > >At 09:45 PM 1/17/01 , Valentino Sarro wrote: >>Actually I thought the attached link was submitted a while ago as a >>Public APRS mailer....what, is it not working? (I tried it in the past >>and could never figure out if it worked). >> >>http://dsell.webprovider.com/pubmailer/APRSmailer.htm >> >> >>Tino, VE6SZR --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 18 00:49:24 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id AAA03999 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 00:49:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: Pertti.Herva@etrem.fi To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=C4htaprs=C5_Help_with_computer_and_WinAP?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?RS?= Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:48:53 +0200 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3BBE9E1AF377D4118A7E00508B5564A5081C22@se3m0002.etrem.fi> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Try remove yours WinARPS programms and then reinstall, before remove take configuration files save or print them. BR Pertti Herva OH2KFH Any suggestions will be helpful. Thanks Chris Bouck KB4CMF --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 18 07:45:01 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id HAA07323 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 07:44:54 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:47:46 -0500 From: Alex Subject: [htaprs] Re: Sending an EMAIL message via APRS on a Kenwood TH-D7AG To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Cc: Christopher McNabb Reply-to: kg4ecv@earthlink.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3A66F402.A6788B9A@earthlink.net> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk I'm sorry. I should've said "not possible at the moment." Of course one can program anything what one wants, but it's not that easy to verify if the sender is a ham as you and someone else already pointed out. 73s, --Alex Christopher McNabb wrote: > Actually, it wouldn't be too difficult to develop a small unix script to do > just this. The legality of such a thing would be questionable, though. > --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 18 10:54:30 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id KAA23855 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:54:26 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:54:13 Subject: [htaprs] Re: How can I send a space not underscore in a msg using a TH-D7AG? To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: "Randy R. Creller" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Message-Id: Precedence: bulk Thanks for all your responses. The Zero key is the space and the Ent key is for all the other symbols. I now have APRS email up and running. Thanks again for all your support. Please refer to my 1/17/01 message for how to send email via APRS messaging. Randy R. Creller RandyRoo@hotmail.com K1RTV Harpers Ferry, WV Eastern Panhandle WV --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 18 14:17:20 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id OAA11577 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:17:17 -0600 (CST) From: John Gorkos Reply-To: jgorkos@slb.com Organization: Schlumberger RMS To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] New IGATE Service Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:16:55 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <01011814165505.01054@jgorkoslt2.san-carlos.rms.slb.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Part of my continuing efforts to add value-added-services to APRS: ANNOUNCING -- Igate whois service. How to use it: Simply send a message to WHOIS, with a single callsign as the message body. Within seconds, you will receive a response from AB0OO-14 with the full name and City, State of the ham you requested, straight from the FCC callsign database. Example: On my TH-D7, I send a message TO: WHOIS BODY: AB0OO Once the message goes out AND HITS AN IGATE (unless you live within 3 or 4 hops of my TNC for RF), the message will be picked up by the APRSd network and the AB0OO-14 server will ACK your message. You will then receive an answer formatted like this: FROM: AB0OO-14 BODY: AB0OO is GORKOS, JOHN M of DE SOTO, KS. Anyway, I hope its useful. I can, of course, extend the callsign database to include foreign hams if someone would point me to a site I can download the DB in (format is unimportant, Perl is good for that.) Comments welcome. John Gorkos AB0OO --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 18 19:06:08 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id TAA07585 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:06:07 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:04:59 -0500 Subject: [htaprs] Re: New IGATE Service From: John Zaruba Jr To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Great Idea John! I gave it a go as soon as I read your message, and it worked fantastically. Thanks for the effort, 73 de John AA2BN --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 19 10:15:43 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id KAA05790 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:15:43 -0600 (CST) From: John Gorkos Reply-To: jgorkos@slb.com Organization: Schlumberger RMS To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Problems w/ New IGATE Service Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:15:19 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <01011910151900.01216@jgorkoslt2.san-carlos.rms.slb.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Well, it seems there is a bit of a problem with acknowledgements. When a message is send to WHOIS, the ack is returned from AB0OO-14, not WHOIS. I can't transmit with the callsign of 'WHOIS' because I don't include my own callsign anywhere in the ACK. I was programming on the assumption that client software tracks acknowledgements based on message number only, i.e. if N0LID sends a message to WHOIS it actually looks like this: N0LID::WHOIS :WB4APR{001 and the acknowledgement looks like this: AB0OO-14::N0LID :ACK001 Unfortunately, it seems that many clients not only match on messge number but also on callsign, so they have to receive this message to get the ACK: WHOIS::N0LID :ACK001 I'm not sure about the legality of transmitting as WHOIS. I suppose since I ID my station with all other packets, the WHOIS packets should be allowed, but I'm NOT an armchair lawyer. I will investigate how I can acknowledge with the correct format. Currently, I'm sending the message via the aprsd message port (udp 1315). I may need to send it directly to the hub server. I'll investigate. In the meantime, I'm going to crank up my dupe detection timers and limit the number of responses to 2. John Gorkos AB0OO BTW, look for the Canadian Callsign database in the next few days (thanks, Jeff). --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 19 12:50:26 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id MAA22903 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:50:21 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.usna.edu: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:49:38 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk APRSdos was originally written to require ACKS from the matching call. But messages to EMAIL acked by WU2Z made that not work. I finally aquiessed to accepting matching line numbers as the sole criteria for an ACK, although I am still not comfortable with it. I thought all the other software now worked that way to... de WB4APR, Bob On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, John Gorkos wrote: > Well, it seems there is a bit of a problem with acknowledgements. > When a message is send to WHOIS, the ack is returned from AB0OO-14, not > WHOIS. I can't transmit with the callsign of 'WHOIS' because I don't include > my own callsign anywhere in the ACK. I was programming on the assumption > that client software tracks acknowledgements based on message number only, > i.e. if N0LID sends a message to WHOIS it actually looks like this: > N0LID::WHOIS :WB4APR{001 > and the acknowledgement looks like this: > AB0OO-14::N0LID :ACK001 > > Unfortunately, it seems that many clients not only match on messge number but > also on callsign, so they have to receive this message to get the ACK: > WHOIS::N0LID :ACK001 > > I'm not sure about the legality of transmitting as WHOIS. I suppose since I > ID my station with all other packets, the WHOIS packets should be allowed, > but I'm NOT an armchair lawyer. > > I will investigate how I can acknowledge with the correct format. Currently, > I'm sending the message via the aprsd message port (udp 1315). I may need to > send it directly to the hub server. I'll investigate. In the meantime, I'm > going to crank up my dupe detection timers and limit the number of responses > to 2. > > John Gorkos > AB0OO > > BTW, look for the Canadian Callsign database in the next few days (thanks, > Jeff). > > --- > You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: BRUNINGA@NADN.NAVY.MIL > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org > Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org > > de WB4APR@amsat.org, Bob See my APRS LIVE pages http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/aprs.html See APRS SATELLITES http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/astars.html See MIM/Mic-E/Mic-Lite http://www.toad.net/~wclement/mim2.htm --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 19 13:03:48 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id NAA24590 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:03:45 -0600 (CST) From: John Gorkos Reply-To: jgorkos@slb.com Organization: Schlumberger RMS To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:03:17 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <01011913031703.01216@jgorkoslt2.san-carlos.rms.slb.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Friday 19 January 2001 12:49, Bob Bruninga spake thusly: > APRSdos was originally written to require ACKS from the matching call. > But messages to EMAIL acked by WU2Z made that not work. I finally > aquiessed to accepting matching line numbers as the sole criteria for an > ACK, although I am still not comfortable with it. I thought all the other > software now worked that way to... de WB4APR, Bob > Do you know if the D7 and D700 match on msgnumber only, or msg #/callsign? I'm interested in your comfort level. What makes you want to include the FROM callsign as part of the unique key for message ID? I feel like message aliases are a great thing. In the framework I have, I also track the position of all heard stations in the network. I can limit replies to "alias" names by geography, making it possible to answer queries to 'NEWS' with local news only, or even local news for multiple geographic locations, based on the requestor's position. The only packet that gets sent with a receiver/sender mismatch is the single ACK from the original request. After that, the sending station knows who the local responder is, and can then send further queries to a specific callsign instead of the alias. If you still aren't comfortable with the way this is going, let's have a dialog about it and get consensus. John Gorkos AB0OO --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 19 13:14:54 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id NAA26100 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:14:54 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.usna.edu: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:12:50 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, John Gorkos wrote about ACK requirements: > Do you know if the D7 and D700 match on msgnumber only, or msg #/callsign? Dont remember... > I'm interested in your comfort level. I had thought that it would require me to keep a continuoulsy runnig serial number that would have to be saved between sessions to make sure that no two messages ever had the same #. I think I convinved myself that ACKS in APRSdom have a latgency of about 30 seconds to a minute. Beyond that, resusing old line numbers should not be a problem? > If you still aren't comfortable with the way this is going, let's have a > dialog about it and get consensus. OK, what do you think? bob --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 19 13:26:40 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id NAA26944 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:26:34 -0600 (CST) From: John Gorkos Reply-To: jgorkos@slb.com Organization: Schlumberger RMS To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:26:12 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <01011913261204.01216@jgorkoslt2.san-carlos.rms.slb.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Friday 19 January 2001 13:12, Bob Bruninga spake thusly: > On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, John Gorkos wrote about ACK requirements: > > Do you know if the D7 and D700 match on msgnumber only, or msg > > #/callsign? > > Dont remember... I'll expiriment and let you know. I can't recall, either. It seems that it's done solely on MSG number, not callsign. > > > I'm interested in your comfort level. > > I had thought that it would require me to keep a continuoulsy runnig > serial number that would have to be saved between sessions to make sure > that no two messages ever had the same #. I think I convinved myself that > ACKS in APRSdom have a latgency of about 30 seconds to a minute. Beyond > that, resusing old line numbers should not be a problem? > > > If you still aren't comfortable with the way this is going, let's have a > > dialog about it and get consensus. > > OK, what do you think? > bob I'm doing what you thought originally. On the server, I maintain a state file with the latest message number. It is updated every time a new message is initiated. That way, I KNOW I'm sending 'fresh' numbers in my responses. The difference is, I'm doing it on a unix server with high availability and no chance of an errant user erasing the file. I'll roll the numbers over at 999. I think you're right about the latency of Acks, though. And because the destination call is part of the ack, there's no chance of someone elses ack clearing your queue. I see a LOT of messages come into the server with low message numbers, and it looks like my acks are going to the right places. Back to my original thought, I'm not sure how legal it is for me to transmit an ack from WHOIS instead of AB0OO. Is that an issue? John --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 19 13:37:14 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id NAA28188 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:37:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: "Brent Hildebrand" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" References: Subject: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:35:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <007f01c0824e$eb9a6cc0$8294b3d1@celeron> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tapr.org id NAA28188 WinAPRS only recognizes EMAIL as a unique callsign. You will perhaps recall that APRS+SA supports Alias callsigns, different from Tactical callsigns, and that I was using the alias of AIRMAIL, which allows for the generation of multi-line email messages, QRZ callsign lookup which give both US and non-US calls, and the ability to create email messages with attached Street Atlas USA map files. Well, as long as the requesting station was another APRS+SA station, or Kenwood D-7x, ACKS work fine. WinAPRS would not work and APRSdos would not work. That is when you acquiesced. I don't know what UI-View requires. But WinAPRS still only sees EMAIL as a special case. Make your WHOIS transmit as WHOIS, and generate an APRS Object showing the location of WHOIS with the text stating the Ham Callsign, transmitted to meet ID requirement. Brent KH2Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Bruninga" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Cc: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 10:49 AM Subject: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service > APRSdos was originally written to require ACKS from the matching call. > But messages to EMAIL acked by WU2Z made that not work. I finally > aquiessed to accepting matching line numbers as the sole criteria for an > ACK, although I am still not comfortable with it. I thought all the other > software now worked that way to... de WB4APR, Bob > > On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, John Gorkos wrote: > > > Well, it seems there is a bit of a problem with acknowledgements. > > When a message is send to WHOIS, the ack is returned from AB0OO-14, not > > WHOIS. I can't transmit with the callsign of 'WHOIS' because I don't include > > my own callsign anywhere in the ACK. I was programming on the assumption > > that client software tracks acknowledgements based on message number only, > > i.e. if N0LID sends a message to WHOIS it actually looks like this: > > N0LID::WHOIS :WB4APR{001 > > and the acknowledgement looks like this: > > AB0OO-14::N0LID :ACK001 > > > > Unfortunately, it seems that many clients not only match on messge number but > > also on callsign, so they have to receive this message to get the ACK: > > WHOIS::N0LID :ACK001 > > > > I'm not sure about the legality of transmitting as WHOIS. I suppose since I > > ID my station with all other packets, the WHOIS packets should be allowed, > > but I'm NOT an armchair lawyer. > > > > I will investigate how I can acknowledge with the correct format. Currently, > > I'm sending the message via the aprsd message port (udp 1315). I may need to > > send it directly to the hub server. I'll investigate. In the meantime, I'm > > going to crank up my dupe detection timers and limit the number of responses > > to 2. > > > > John Gorkos > > AB0OO > > > > BTW, look for the Canadian Callsign database in the next few days (thanks, > > Jeff). > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: BRUNINGA@NADN.NAVY.MIL > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org > > Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org > > > > > > de WB4APR@amsat.org, Bob > > See my APRS LIVE pages http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/aprs.html > See APRS SATELLITES http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/astars.html > See MIM/Mic-E/Mic-Lite http://www.toad.net/~wclement/mim2.htm > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: bhildebrand@earthlink.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org > Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org > > --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 19 13:50:51 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id NAA29360 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:50:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: "Brent Hildebrand" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" References: Subject: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:50:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <00bd01c08251$0b204540$8294b3d1@celeron> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tapr.org id NAA29360 *** Comments below > On Friday 19 January 2001 13:12, Bob Bruninga spake thusly: > > On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, John Gorkos wrote about ACK requirements: > > > Do you know if the D7 and D700 match on msgnumber only, or msg > > > #/callsign? > > > > Dont remember... > I'll expiriment and let you know. I can't recall, either. It seems that > it's done solely on MSG number, not callsign. *** The D7x match number only. > > > > > > I'm interested in your comfort level. > > > > I had thought that it would require me to keep a continuoulsy runnig > > serial number that would have to be saved between sessions to make sure > > that no two messages ever had the same #. I think I convinved myself that > > ACKS in APRSdom have a latgency of about 30 seconds to a minute. Beyond > > that, resusing old line numbers should not be a problem? > > > > > If you still aren't comfortable with the way this is going, let's have a > > > dialog about it and get consensus. > > > > OK, what do you think? > > bob > > I'm doing what you thought originally. On the server, I maintain a state > file with the latest message number. It is updated every time a new message > is initiated. That way, I KNOW I'm sending 'fresh' numbers in my responses. > The difference is, I'm doing it on a unix server with high availability and > no chance of an errant user erasing the file. I'll roll the numbers over at > 999. I think you're right about the latency of Acks, though. And because > the destination call is part of the ack, there's no chance of someone elses > ack clearing your queue. I see a LOT of messages come into the server with > low message numbers, and it looks like my acks are going to the right places. > > Back to my original thought, I'm not sure how legal it is for me to > transmit an ack from WHOIS instead of AB0OO. Is that an issue? > > John *** It is perfectly legal to use WHOIS. Just ID WHOIS with the real callsign with in the specified limits of the law. Brent KH2Z --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 19 14:09:11 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id OAA00901 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:09:05 -0600 (CST) From: John Gorkos Reply-To: jgorkos@slb.com Organization: Schlumberger RMS To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:08:31 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <01011914083106.01216@jgorkoslt2.san-carlos.rms.slb.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Friday 19 January 2001 13:35, Brent Hildebrand spake thusly: > WinAPRS only recognizes EMAIL as a unique callsign. You will perhaps recall > that APRS+SA supports Alias callsigns, different from Tactical callsigns, > and that I was using the alias of AIRMAIL, which allows for the generation > of multi-line email messages, QRZ callsign lookup which give both US and > non-US calls, and the ability to create email messages with attached > Street Atlas USA map files. Well, as long as the requesting station was > another APRS+SA station, or Kenwood D-7x, ACKS work fine. WinAPRS ould not > work and APRSdos would not work. That is when you acquiesced. I don't > know what UI-View requires. But WinAPRS still only sees EMAIL as a special > case. Thank you for that excellent summary. > Make your WHOIS transmit as WHOIS, and generate an APRS Object > showing the location of WHOIS with the text stating the Ham Callsign, > transmitted to meet ID requirement. Brent KH2Z Gee, that's ugly. It's also Hard to do, using aprsd as the messaging interface. Could I transmit an ID message similar to the following, every 10 minutes: AB0OO-14: Linux WX Igate, transmitting as WHOIS, SCORES, and LOCATE ? Usually, the FCC rulebook wonks come out of the woodwork on questions like this... (The scores server already works, I'm working on LOCATE to work similar to whois: a query to LOCATE with a callsign in the body returns the current position in relation to a metropolitan center, similar to Steve's findu page, i.e. AB0OO heard 0d00:15:10 ago 7.5 miles NW of Olathe, Ks ) ------------------------------------------------------- --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 19 14:56:39 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id OAA06935 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:56:38 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:52:34 +0000 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Roger Barker Subject: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk In article , Brent Hildebrand writes >WinAPRS only recognizes EMAIL as a unique callsign. You will perhaps recall that >APRS+SA supports Alias callsigns, different from Tactical callsigns, and that I >was using the alias of AIRMAIL, which allows for the generation of multi-line >email messages, QRZ callsign lookup which give both US and non-US calls, and >the ability to create email messages with attached Street Atlas USA map files. >Well, as long as the requesting station was another APRS+SA station, or Kenwood >D-7x, ACKS work fine. WinAPRS would not work and APRSdos would not work. That >is when you acquiesced. I don't know what UI-View requires. It matches on callsign + message number, and maintains a unique message number sequence for each callsign to whom you send messages. -- Roger Barker, G4IDE - roger@peaksys.co.uk For UI-View go to - http://www.packetradio.org.uk For WinPack go to - http://www.peaksys.co.uk --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 19 15:08:20 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id PAA07885 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:08:15 -0600 (CST) To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Reply-To: gregg.wonderly@pobox.com Subject: [htaprs] Re: [ John Gorkos ] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:03:17 -0600. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:01:00 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Gregg G. Wonderly" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <8810.979938060@skymaster.c2-tech.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk >Do you know if the D7 and D700 match on msgnumber only, or msg #/callsign? My D7A with the G upgrade accepts your ack! ----- gregg@c2-tech.com (C2 Technologies Inc) --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 19 15:13:29 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id PAA08394 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:13:24 -0600 (CST) From: John Gorkos Reply-To: jgorkos@slb.com Organization: Schlumberger RMS To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:13:00 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <01011915130007.01216@jgorkoslt2.san-carlos.rms.slb.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Friday 19 January 2001 14:52, Roger Barker spake thusly: > In article ts.tapr.org>, Brent Hildebrand writes > > >WinAPRS only recognizes EMAIL as a unique callsign. You will perhaps > > recall that APRS+SA supports Alias callsigns, different from Tactical > > callsigns, and that I was using the alias of AIRMAIL, which allows for > > the generation of multi-line email messages, QRZ callsign lookup which > > give both US and non-US calls, and the ability to create email messages > > with attached Street Atlas USA map files. Well, as long as the requesting > > station was another APRS+SA station, or Kenwood D-7x, ACKS work fine. > > WinAPRS would not work and APRSdos would not work. That is when you > > acquiesced. I don't know what UI-View requires. > > It matches on callsign + message number, and maintains a unique message > number sequence for each callsign to whom you send messages. I'm curious about this. An example should help. I'm AB0OO, and I have two 'conversations' going on. One is to N5TEX, one to N0LID. The packets would look like this? AB0OO::N5TEX :Hi dad, how are you?{001 AB0OO::N0LID :Steve, good to see you again!{001 These would result in the following ACKs: N5TEX::AB0OO :ACK001 N0LID::AB0OO :ACK001 Is this correct? TIMTOWTDI, I suppose. Seems like you're keeping track of more stuctures than I am comfortable with, but then, I've never written a complete APRS GUI client before. Thanks for the insight... John Gorkos BTW, if this gets much more technical, Stan is going to boot us over to APRSTech or some such list. --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 19 16:09:43 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id QAA12609 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:09:39 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.usna.edu: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:08:44 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, John Gorkos wrote: > Back to my original thought, I'm not sure how legal it is for me to > transmit an ack from WHOIS instead of AB0OO. Is that an issue? Do it in 3rd party format if it bothers you. But since WU2Z's Emailer does not ack from the same call, and if Kenwoods are OK with that (I think they are) then I wouldnt bother... Since it appears we all do it now by MSG#...only bob --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 19 16:17:48 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id QAA13075 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:17:42 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:13:35 +0000 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Roger Barker Subject: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk In article , John Gorkos writes [snip] > >I'm curious about this. An example should help. > >I'm AB0OO, and I have two 'conversations' going on. One is to N5TEX, one to >N0LID. The packets would look like this? > >AB0OO::N5TEX :Hi dad, how are you?{001 >AB0OO::N0LID :Steve, good to see you again!{001 >These would result in the following ACKs: >N5TEX::AB0OO :ACK001 >N0LID::AB0OO :ACK001 > >Is this correct? TIMTOWTDI, I suppose. Seems like you're keeping track of >more stuctures than I am comfortable with, but then, I've never written a >complete APRS GUI client before. Thanks for the insight... Yes. The message numbers are actually two digits, and the sequence for any callsign is maintained across program sessions. -- Roger Barker, G4IDE - roger@peaksys.co.uk For UI-View go to - http://www.packetradio.org.uk For WinPack go to - http://www.peaksys.co.uk --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 19 16:26:42 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id QAA13979 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:26:38 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: "Brent Hildebrand" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" References: Subject: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:25:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <006b01c08266$bb064800$e092b3d1@celeron> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tapr.org id QAA13979 > > Make your WHOIS transmit as WHOIS, and generate an APRS Object > > showing the location of WHOIS with the text stating the Ham Callsign, > > transmitted to meet ID requirement. Brent KH2Z > > Gee, that's ugly. It's also Hard to do, using aprsd as the messaging > interface. Could I transmit an ID message similar to the following, every 10 > minutes: Ugly? Hard to do? Really? This is APRS. An object showing the location of station fits right in with APRS. Brent --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 19 16:31:36 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id QAA14707 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:31:33 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.usna.edu: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:30:17 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, John Gorkos wrote: > I'm curious about this. An example should help. > > I'm AB0OO, and I have two 'conversations' going on. One is to N5TEX, one to > N0LID. The packets would look like this? > > AB0OO::N5TEX :Hi dad, how are you?{001 > AB0OO::N0LID :Steve, good to see you again!{001 > These would result in the following ACKs: > N5TEX::AB0OO :ACK001 > N0LID::AB0OO :ACK001 Ah, dont do that. always increment the line numer no matter who it goes to... then every ACK is unique bob --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 19 16:35:52 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id QAA15243 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:35:47 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.usna.edu: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:33:52 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Thanks Brent. I thought that Sprouls agreed to no longer treat EMAIL as a special case.. and to allow for ACK by msg number only. I gues they havent dont it yet. THanks for clarifying it.. Bob On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Brent Hildebrand wrote: > WinAPRS only recognizes EMAIL as a unique callsign. You will perhaps recall that APRS+SA supports Alias callsigns, different from Tactical callsigns, and that I was using the alias of AIRMAIL, which allows for the generation of multi-line email messages, QRZ callsign lookup which give both US and non-US calls, and the ability to create email messages with attached Street Atlas USA map files. Well, as long as the requesting station was another APRS+SA station, or Kenwood D-7x, ACKS work fine. WinAPRS would not work and APRSdos would not work. That is when you acquiesced. I don't know what UI-View requires. But WinAPRS still only sees EMAIL as a special case. Make your WHOIS transmit as WHOIS, and generate an APRS Object showing the location of WHOIS with the text stating the Ham Callsign, transmitted to meet ID requirement. Brent KH2Z --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 19 17:02:21 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id RAA18735 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:02:17 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:58:45 +0000 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Roger Barker Subject: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk In article , Bob Bruninga writes >On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, John Gorkos wrote: > >> I'm curious about this. An example should help. >> >> I'm AB0OO, and I have two 'conversations' going on. One is to N5TEX, one to >> N0LID. The packets would look like this? >> >> AB0OO::N5TEX :Hi dad, how are you?{001 >> AB0OO::N0LID :Steve, good to see you again!{001 >> These would result in the following ACKs: >> N5TEX::AB0OO :ACK001 >> N0LID::AB0OO :ACK001 > >Ah, dont do that. always increment the line numer no matter who it goes >to... then every ACK is unique Then how can the recipient know that he hasn't missed a line? I appreciate that with serial transmission that shouldn't be possible, but serial transmission is arguably a weakness of the messaging protocol. Also, the above message ids are unique, because the id can be regarded as destination address + message number. Similarly, the acks are unique and can be matched to the corresponding message. What I find difficult to understand is the "logic" of sending a message to one callsign/alias and receiving an ack from a different callsign. -- Roger Barker, G4IDE - roger@peaksys.co.uk For UI-View go to - http://www.packetradio.org.uk For WinPack go to - http://www.peaksys.co.uk --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 19 17:23:43 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id RAA20379 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:23:42 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: r100rt@mail (Unverified) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:12:39 -0500 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Lee Dickinson Subject: [htaprs] Re: Sending an EMAIL message via APRS on a Kenwood TH-D7AG Cc: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010119181159.00a3a5d0@mail> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk At 11:13 PM 1/17/01 -0500, Tom Busch wrote: >>I think this is actually illegal, unless these guys are personally >>clearing each message. You cannot allow a non-amateur to cause an amateur >>station to transmit without a control operator present. What is the difference between this and a phone patch? - Lee 73 de K4LAD - Lee A. Dickinson QTH: Colbert, Georgia, USA (Grid: EM84ja) http://www.qrz.com/database?callsign=k4lad --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sat Jan 20 03:48:27 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id DAA24759 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 03:48:26 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 09:46:01 +0000 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Roger Barker Subject: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk In article , Roger Barker writes [snip] I've made some further comments in the APRSSPEC list, which is probably a more appropriate place to carry on the discussion. -- Roger Barker, G4IDE - roger@peaksys.co.uk For UI-View go to - http://www.packetradio.org.uk For WinPack go to - http://www.peaksys.co.uk --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sat Jan 20 10:00:42 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id KAA18018 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 10:00:39 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 10:0:12 Subject: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: "Randy R. Creller" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Message-Id: Precedence: bulk Wow Great Service John, Really neat enhancement for APRS rigs. I was just thinking out of the box, and I think you are really onto something here. What if we implemented something like Whereis K1RTV and the text of http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?k1rtv-7 is returned, something like :25.7 miles southwest of FREDERICK, MD Also Whenis K1RTV and the text of http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?k1rtv-7 is returned, something like :Report received 1 days 1 hours 29 minutes 18 seconds ago The possibilities are truly endless. We have a really neat messageing system here that could be linked to all sorts of things on the internet to get information. Great Work! Keep me posted on your progress, 73's Randy R. Creller K1RTV Harpers Ferry, WV Eastern Panhandle of WV --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sat Jan 20 11:12:57 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id LAA26122 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:12:57 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.usna.edu: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:12:41 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Randy R. Creller wrote: > What if we implemented something like > "Whereis K1RTV" Here is what I think should come back via PACKET: 1) An APRS formatted position report for K1RTV (if exists) 2) Otherwise a MSG reply "K1RTV last heard via XXXX digi" > We have a really neat messageing system here that could be linked to all > sorts of things on the internet to get information. I agree! And we have handheld "tiny-web-page-viewers" in the palm of our hands! de WB4APR, Bob See my APRS LIVE pages http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/aprs.html See APRS SATELLITES http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/astars.html See MIM/Mic-E/Mic-Lite http://www.toad.net/~wclement/mim2.htm --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sat Jan 20 12:18:17 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id MAA02055 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:18:16 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:17:53 Subject: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: "Randy R. Creller" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Message-Id: Precedence: bulk Bob, I tried the WHOIS and http://www.findu.com did recieve the message and post it under my call sign K1RTV. However, The Digi's or Igate that is receiving my APRS messages is not re-sending/forwarding this via the radio. I.E. I never received the output on my HT, just on http://www.findu.com. What needs to happen on the Igate that I hit to allow TCP/IP messages to be re-directed over the air waves??? How can I find out just which Igate is processing my WHOIS APRS message so I can contact the administrator to find out about possibly changing the settings??? Randy R. Creller K1RTV Harpers Ferry, WV Eastern PanHandle of WV --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sat Jan 20 16:54:57 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id QAA26758 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 16:54:54 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: "Brad Adams" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Kenwood TM-D700 Problem Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:01:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <003d01c08334$e6d91ba0$0300a8c0@nash1.tn.home.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk To the list: I recently purchased a one year old Kenwood TM-D700. After programming the radio and connecting my GPS (Street Pilot) whenever teh TNC function of the radio is enabled and you transmit on the UHF band on the B side, there is a very annoying "rumble" on the UHF transmitted audio. Unplugging the GPS or computer from the radio has no effect. ONLY when you disable the TNC function (either APRS or Packet) does the noise go away. I have looked on the Kenwood website for a tech bulletin, but found none regarding the D700 radio. Anyone seen this movie before? Brad Adams N4PYI n4pyi@n4pyi.com --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sun Jan 21 12:36:30 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id MAA10452 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:36:30 -0600 (CST) From: "Brian B. Riley" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:36:10 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk > -----Original Message----- > From: Randy R. Creller > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 10:00 AM [snip] > Whereis K1RTV and the text of > http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?k1rtv-7 is returned, > something like > :25.7 miles southwest of FREDERICK, MD > > Also > > Whenis K1RTV and the text of > http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?k1rtv-7 is returned, > something like > :Report received 1 days 1 hours 29 minutes 18 seconds ago why have two scripts? why not simply a message to WHEREIS N1BQ and have it return; :N1BQ-8($) 25.8 mi. :NE of Burlington, VT :1d 2h 29m 18s ago Where the "$" is an M - mobile, W - weather, D - digi, F - fixed, I - internet, or even ? - "I dunno", depending on what information has been gleaned about the station. For example if there is course and speed mobile/portable operation is probable, a weather data string in the status text might indicate weather station, the word DIGI ... etc. If there are multiple instances of N1BQ - which there could be (N1BQ-3 wide digi, N1BQ-8, my mobile D700, N1BQ-7 my portable D7G and N1BQ-1, my Internet connection when/if it is on) you get one screen/message for each entry, that saves having to do a WHEREIS N1BQ*, get a list and then do it again for the specific call. --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sun Jan 21 12:36:38 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id MAA10458 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:36:34 -0600 (CST) From: "Brian B. Riley" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:36:12 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk > -----Original Message----- > From: Randy Creller > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 12:18 PM > To: TAPR Hot Technology APRS [snip] > I tried the WHOIS and http://www.findu.com did recieve the > message and post it under my call sign K1RTV. > > However, The Digi's or Igate that is receiving my APRS > messages is not re-sending/forwarding this via the radio. > I.E. I never received the output on my HT, just on > http://www.findu.com. > > What needs to happen on the Igate that I hit to allow TCP/IP > messages to be re-directed over the air waves??? > > How can I find out just which Igate is processing my WHOIS > APRS message so I can contact the administrator to find out > about possibly changing the settings??? Come on, think about it, the system cannot have just anyone gating messages from the net to RF. There is no way for the system to know if you (thatis you Internet app) have a ham license. You need to check it out with Steve, K4HG as to how to register with APRSErve so you will get gated. --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sun Jan 21 22:11:22 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id WAA14084 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 22:11:19 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: "mark.endicott" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] D700 and Street Pilot Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 22:10:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <004201c08429$53cad060$0300a8c0@home.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Today I had my D700 on the bench and had a GPS III attached, I left my Street Pilot in the car. I noticed that the D700 put waypoints on the GPSIII but doesn't on the Street Pilot. Is there a flash or a setting that I am missing, I seem to recall that I have been able to upload waypoints to the Street Pilot from other programs, perhaps it was only in the Garmin mode. I have it in the NEMA out mode now and I am receiving nothing. Am I just behind the times with upgrades or does the Street Pilot just not accept waypoints in the NEMA mode? It sure is cool on the GPS III Mark,WB0NOO Nashville --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sun Jan 21 22:51:09 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id WAA17781 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 22:51:09 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: fixup-htaprs@lists.tapr.org@fixme Message-Id: X-Sender: sparkfel@pop.primenet.com Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 22:50:46 -0600 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Mark Fellhauer Subject: [htaprs] Re: D700 and Street Pilot In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010121224912.00b08db0@pop.primenet.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk At 10:10 PM 1/21/01, mark.endicott wrote: >mode. I have it in the NEMA out mode now and I am receiving nothing. Am I >just behind the times with upgrades or does the Street Pilot just not accept >waypoints in the NEMA mode? The Street Pilot does not accept NMEA in, and probably never will. I think if Garmin could implement it, they would have by now. 73, Mark KC7BXS --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Mon Jan 22 10:26:17 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id KAA23276 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:26:13 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:25:57 Subject: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: "Randy R. Creller" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Message-Id: Precedence: bulk This is a copy of the note I sent to Steve Demise K4HG. I will post his response after he replys to my email Hi Steve, The note attached below was the note that prompted me to send my first message. The fellow below Brian B. Riley eluded to the fact that there was some sort of registration with APRServe to get your IP APRS messages gated to RF. Is this true??? If so How can I register? Let me fill you in with a little background information here. Recently on http://www.tapr.org/tapr/html/sigf.html under APRS Hot Technology John Gorkos call sign AB0OO email address jgorkos@san-carlos.rms.slb.com has been working on APRS addons and has come up with one called WHOIS. APRS messages addressed to WHOIS with a message containing only the Callsign you wish to lookup in the FCC License database, I.E. To:WHOIS K1RTV is a message that I sent recently. The Response as seen at http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/msg.cgi?K1RTV-7 on 1/20 at 16:39:39 is: K1RTV is CRELLER, RANDY from HARPERS FERRY, WV This appears to all be working well but the above message is simply not be gated back to RF in my area so that I can see it on my Kenwood Th-D7AG. I believe the originating user callsign that sends this note is WHOIS and is not in my region but I am not sure of this??? How can I get APRS messages addressed to me to be gated back to RF on 144.390??? Also how can I trace just which IGATE is responsible for doing so in my area??? Thanks for your prompt response. 73's Randy R. Creller K1RTV Harpers Ferry WV ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian B. Riley Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 1:37 PM To: Randy R. Creller; TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: RE: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service > -----Original Message----- > From: Randy Creller > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 12:18 PM > To: TAPR Hot Technology APRS [snip] > I tried the WHOIS and http://www.findu.com did recieve the > message and post it under my call sign K1RTV. > > However, The Digi's or Igate that is receiving my APRS > messages is not re-sending/forwarding this via the radio. > I.E. I never received the output on my HT, just on > http://www.findu.com. > > What needs to happen on the Igate that I hit to allow TCP/IP > messages to be re-directed over the air waves??? > > How can I find out just which Igate is processing my WHOIS > APRS message so I can contact the administrator to find out > about possibly changing the settings??? Come on, think about it, the system cannot have just anyone gating messages from the net to RF. There is no way for the system to know if you (thatis you Internet app) have a ham license. You need to check it out with Steve, K4HG as to how to register with APRSErve so you will get gated. --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Mon Jan 22 15:51:23 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id PAA24002 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:51:22 -0600 (CST) From: John Gorkos Reply-To: jgorkos@slb.com Organization: Schlumberger RMS To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 08:50:37 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3A6A2F7D.13BC84C3@thedrumms.org> In-Reply-To: <3A6A2F7D.13BC84C3@thedrumms.org> Cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <01012208503705.10793@jgorkoslt2.san-carlos.rms.slb.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Saturday 20 January 2001 18:38, Tony Drumm spake thusly: > John, > > I'm a little confused. Are you originating these on aprsd then on through > the internet to the destination? If so, then ID stuff would seem to be > irrelevant. The actual transmitter is someone else's station which > presumably IDs as it's supposed to. Or am I *really* confused? > > Tony > AA0SM You are correct. I have elected to not send packets directly to the TNC, instead, all response packets from both WHOIS and AB0OO are send to the inet side only. My aprsd software then watches the downstream feed, and when I see a message destined to a station I've heard on RF, I gate it through to the TNC. Before, ALL messages we're being gated through to RF (i.e., WB4APR does a whois in Maryland, the reply gets sent out on RF here in KC as well as back to the igate). The locals never gave me a really bad time about it, but it certainly wasn't good citizenship. Looks like the ID problem is solved for the time being. John AB0OO --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 23 05:43:41 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id FAA24408 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 05:43:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 06:43:54 -0800 From: diputs Reply-To: diputs@geocities.com X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] National Frequency Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3A6D98A9.6100B104@erols.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk How much wattage do I need in the "middle of no where" U.S. to beacon on 144.39? Is there really full U.S. coverage? I am trying to decide between a 50w or 80w HT amplifier. Anyone interested in answering a lot of newbie questions that I have about traveling with APRS? Heath I just passed my tech licensee last night. -- diputs (spell it backwards) -- "Next time I will..." "From now on I will..." --What makes me think I am wiser today than I will be tomorrow? Notes to Myself by Hugh Prather -- Nighthawk and Blackbird --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 23 06:15:14 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id GAA26715 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 06:15:11 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 6:14:59 Subject: [htaprs] Re: Problems w/ New IGATE Service To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: "Randy R. Creller" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Message-Id: Precedence: bulk Hi John, I think I am beginning to understand your architecture now. Just what are the changes you have to make to the APRSD software to allow the messages to a recently heard CallSign to be gated back to RF. Specifically what I am looking for here is the parameters you are setting in the APRSD server configuration file need to be set to allow this to happen. I believe they are not set properly on the IGATE that I am using and my WHOIS responses are not being gated back to RF. Also how can I verify exactly which IGATE I am using??? Thanks in advance, Randy R. Creller K1RTV Harpers Ferry, WV Eastern Panhandle of WV --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 23 11:05:55 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id LAA16738 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:05:53 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:03:58 -0700 From: Brian Badger Subject: [htaprs] Re: National Frequency Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Accept-Language: en List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3A6DB97E.1693E08A@wcom.com> Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by tapr.org id LAA16738 diputs wrote: > How much wattage do I need in the "middle of no where" U.S. to beacon on > 144.39? Is there really full U.S. coverage? I am trying to decide > between a 50w or 80w HT amplifier. Well, as a general rule of thumb, if you can't get in to the network with 5 watts, you probably can't get in with 50 watts -- signal fluctuations while mobile are usually much greater than 10db. Better to invest in a nice _stiff_ gain antenna. As for "full US coverage" I think that's pretty close to reality. There are holes out there, where nobody (and I mean NOBODY) lives. In those spots, late at night, you'll get the urge for a General ticket and a good mobile HF rig. Then again, some "middle of nowhere" spots are covered very very well -- take New Mexico for example. > Anyone interested in answering a lot of newbie questions that I have > about traveling with APRS? Fire away. The entire list can help. In general it makes operating mobile much more rewarding -- simplex contacts find you, instead of the other way around. Put your simplex freq in your status text. -- Brian Badger, Worldcom NGSN Signaling Gateway Development KCŘHIR DM78nw --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 23 12:34:30 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id MAA25816 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:34:20 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: fixup-htaprs@lists.tapr.org@fixme Message-Id: X-Sender: sparkfel@pop.primenet.com Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:33:50 -0600 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Mark Fellhauer Subject: [htaprs] Re: National Frequency In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010123114748.00b26980@pop.primenet.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk At 08:43 AM 1/23/01, diputs wrote: >How much wattage do I need in the "middle of no where" U.S. to beacon on >144.39? Is there really full U.S. coverage? I am trying to decide >between a 50w or 80w HT amplifier. I assume you are talking about mobile/automobile-based operations. And no, there is not full National Coverage. Somewhere, there is posted and APRS "illumination" map that will give you a fairly accurate view of US coverage. Most cities with populations of 100,000 or more will have a digipeater. I have found, unscientifically, that 15 watts is about the ideal wattage for a tracker where digipeater coverage is spotty and or you have low elevation digipeaters. Remember VHF is Line-of-Sight so more wattage isn't (under most circomstances) necessarily going to get you more distance. If the Digipeater is below your horizon - 200 watts isn't more useful than 2 watts. 15 watts seems to cut through ground clutter, if you can "see" the digipeater. Radio Shack used to make a 30 watt 2-meter RF amplifier (FM only - not a linear) that can usually be found at hamfests for $25 or less. If you have a dual-band HT, you might want to look into a dual band amp, but they can get quite expensive. A good external antenna and mount are far more important than 80 watts, so that is where you should but your money. My recommendation is that if you are going to have a permanent tracker in your vehicle is to use an inexpensive used mobile rig as your transceiver. A full TNC is not needed in this role and you can use something like a tinytrak (http://www.byonics.com/index.html) or the Kiss TNC recently featured in QST. I prefer a full TNC - like the Kantronics KPC-3 Plus, but it is not necessary. For a GPS, I recommendd the Rand McNally GPS engine. I purchased mine for $73 including tax and shipping from Rand McNally's web site. Kenwood 200 series mobile rigs can be found on eBay or at hamfests for under $90 and I find they make excellent utility transceivers and are far more able to cope with environmental extremes than an HT, especially ones with LCD displays. Buying one of these may actually be cheaper than buying an RF amp. A side benefit is that using a second radio is that it frees up your HT to be where it should be - on your hip. Note: Many people on this SIG consider my views unorthodox and think that an HT is the do-all be-all transceiver. Others have opined that using more than 5 watts for mobile APRS stations constitutes a danger to the national APRS network. 73, Mark KC7BXS A wise ham told me when I first got my license not to try and make an HT my station. It was/is good advice, but it took me a few years to realize it. --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 23 13:06:42 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id NAA28725 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:06:40 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.usna.edu: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:06:23 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: National Frequency In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, diputs wrote: > How much wattage do I need in the "middle of no where" U.S. to beacon on > 144.39? Is there really full U.S. coverage? I am trying to decide > between a 50w or 80w HT amplifier. THe difference between 50 and 80 W is only 2 dB. Hardly noticible compared to the 30 dB mobile flutter of a moving vehicle. Bigger concern might be the number of AMPS needed to run it... bob --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 23 13:14:18 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id NAA29596 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:14:14 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: tlink@rocknet.net.au Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:08:56 +1000 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Jack Chomley Subject: [htaprs] PacComm DR100 as APRS Digi?? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010124050856.00db13a0@rocknet.net.au> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Does any one know if a PacComm DR100 can be used as an APRS Digipeater? If not, is there anyway of modifying it to do so....by way of EPROM upgrade etc? I have a brand new one, never used and would like to set it up. Jack Chomley VK4JRC --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 23 22:05:53 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id WAA22497 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:05:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:05:51 -0800 From: diputs Reply-To: diputs@geocities.com X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] More Info (Was Re: National Frequency) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3A6E7ECF.5D9EC5F3@erols.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk First I want to thank everyone for their responses, but also give a little more info that might help clarify the question. (If someone is interested in fielding further questions, I would love to find a APRS Elmer/ guide. I will also check out the Elmer page) I am planning a 3 month motorcycle trip around the country, traveling about 200-400 miles a day. So being on a motorcycle, amp power is a really big concern. I have been taking a lot of trips via GPS and thought APRS would be a nice addition. I don't really have room for a D700, so was thinking about going with the D7A, and an amplifier. I also like the idea of being able to take the HT with me. Things I've learned. Good stiff mobile antenna. (Anyone want to give their favorites?) 80w amp is unnecessary, 50w is ample. Basic Trip plans. NYC to Washington D.C. then US-50 to CA, up Pacific Coast Highway to Seattle. U.S.2 to Wisconsin, then US 20 back to NYC. I get the sense that I will be out of range, more than in range. Should I focus on ASTARS? I just passed my tech exam last night, so I have only been doing a lot of listening. In NYC, I have no problem seeing the APRS info. But I do not understand what I need (power) to be seen, or how I know if I am heard if I don't have access to a computer on the trip. I don't want to TX for days if no one is seeing me. If the answers to my questions are going to become apparent, I am sorry for wasting bandwidth. How much RF radiation will be going through my body if I Tx every 5 minutes with a mobile antenna mounted right behind me. Will I start glowing? Again, Thank You All. I've been reading the list, and checking out the sites for a while now. Most of it goes over my head, but I'm learning. Heath (Checking the callsign database every day) Bob Bruninga wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, diputs wrote: > > > How much wattage do I need in the "middle of no where" U.S. to beacon on > > 144.39? Is there really full U.S. coverage? I am trying to decide > > between a 50w or 80w HT amplifier. > > THe difference between 50 and 80 W is only 2 dB. Hardly noticible > compared to the 30 dB mobile flutter of a moving vehicle. Bigger concern > might be the number of AMPS needed to run it... > bob -- diputs (spell it backwards) -- "Next time I will..." "From now on I will..." --What makes me think I am wiser today than I will be tomorrow? Notes to Myself by Hugh Prather -- Nighthawk and Blackbird --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 23 23:20:33 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id XAA27215 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:20:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:18:57 -0600 From: Skip Allison X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: National Frequency References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3A6E65C1.7673603E@megsinet.net> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk diputs wrote: > > How much wattage do I need in the "middle of no where" U.S. to beacon on > 144.39? Is there really full U.S. coverage? I am trying to decide > between a 50w or 80w HT amplifier. > You won't see any big difference between 50W and 80W. But you will see a difference between 5 watts and 50 watts (10 dB). For example, if you get 15 miles from a digi with 5 watts, you might stretch that out to 20 miles at 50 watts. To get the most out of your tracker, I recommend a good roof mount antenna - stay away from thru-the-glass antennas. A good gain antenna will give you another 3 dB. (not much, but every dB adds up). If you use an amplifier, remember that it will have to sense power from the portable - then turn on and pull in the relays. This all takes time and you will need to lengthen your TXD (tx turn on delay) on your TNC to make up for the amp delays. Typically, you will have some APRS coverage in middle to big cities and BIG holes in between. I have driven from Chicago to Denver a number of times. Running 40 watts, I get decent coverage out to Davenport, Ia, then nothing until Omaha and Lincoln, then nothing until Denver. Skip K9SA --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 24 05:54:11 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id FAA11469 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:54:10 -0600 (CST) X-Sent: 24 Jan 2001 11:53:45 GMT From: "Fred Dinkler" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Distance versus wattage Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:53:09 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <000301c085fc$3948d0a0$0bfea8c0@dfii> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk I am rigging an TH-D7 to a hot-air balloon for APRS tracking purposes. Is the wattage versus distance discussion due to line-of-sight limitations, or is it simply attenuation of the signal over distance? My balloon will be at 10,000 feet (MSL), and I'm thinking it should be hitting a wider range of digipeaters than at a lower level. Thanks, Fred Dinkler KG4HSS Atlanta --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 24 06:12:11 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id GAA14112 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:12:05 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: r100rt@mail (Unverified) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:24:23 -0500 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Lee Dickinson Subject: [htaprs] Motorcycle APRS Tracker Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010124060707.00a35060@mail> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Like Heath, I am looking to build a tracker for my motorcycle. I am not worried about a 50W drain on the electrical system because the duty cycle is so low it would be like flashing the high beam to the battery. What I am missing in my limited knowledge is an understanding of the minimum requirements for a good system. I too have a GPS on the bike, but it is a Garmin StreetPilot without NMEA output. I need the large screen to use it for NAV without pulling over or crashing. I think a second GPS dedicated to the tracker makes sense. I have no worries with building kits, I just don't know what to get. Can someone help me fill in the blanks with an eye towards a simple but robust tracker (transmit only). Space is a premium, cost is less so. RADIO> I have a Radio Shack HTX-202 available for use (amp needed?) 2M ANTENNA> 1/2 wave whip (motorcycle has no ground plane to speak of) GPS ENGINE> Garmin 20 or 25 from TAPR? GPS ANTENNA> Garmin passive (my original StreetPilot Antenna) What else? TAC-2? PIC-E? How do I program these things? I know all of this is too remedial for this SIG, so if you could point me somewhere or help me off-line, I'd be grateful. I'd like to get the tracker operating before a July trip from Georgia to Oregon for the BMW National Rally. - Lee 73 de K4LAD - Lee A. Dickinson QTH: Colbert, Georgia, USA (Grid: EM84ja) http://www.qrz.com/database?callsign=k4lad --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 24 09:20:40 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id JAA03713 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:20:34 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: yd794@mail.victoria.tc.ca Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 07:19:40 -0800 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: JD Erskine VA7JD Subject: [htaprs] Re: Distance versus wattage In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010124071940.00809430@mail.victoria.tc.ca> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk At 06:53 24/01/01 -0500, Fred Dinkler wrote: >I am rigging an TH-D7 to a hot-air balloon for APRS tracking purposes. >Is the wattage versus distance discussion due to line-of-sight limitations, >or is it simply attenuation of the signal over distance? > >My balloon will be at 10,000 feet (MSL), and I'm thinking it should be >hitting >a wider range of digipeaters than at a lower level. > >Thanks, >Fred Dinkler >KG4HSS >Atlanta Fred, I'll likely be attentuation. You can work out your own electronic horizon by using 2.21 x the square root of the height of the TRX in metres. Sorry, don't have it in feet. That assumes a RX antenna at the horizon. If you wish to include the added distance to a typical mobile or fixed station, do the calculation again including their antenna height and add the two. Some will undoubtedly be able to contribute path loss formulas. Just reviewing my RADAR and electonic navigation theory for an exam this Friday. Aren't you lucky? :{D 73 JD VA7JD@rac.ca VA7OTC on APRS when I'm on. --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 24 09:21:07 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id JAA03745 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:20:59 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: fixup-htaprs@lists.tapr.org@fixme Message-Id: X-Sender: sparkfel@pop.primenet.com Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:20:23 -0600 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Mark Fellhauer Subject: [htaprs] Re: Distance versus wattage In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010124080341.00b11970@pop.primenet.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk At 05:53 AM 1/24/01, Fred Dinkler wrote: >I am rigging an TH-D7 to a hot-air balloon for APRS tracking purposes. >Is the wattage versus distance discussion due to line-of-sight limitations, >or is it simply attenuation of the signal over distance? Well we were talking Line of Sight, but at longer distances - free space loss can become an issue. The physical horizon is far more of an issue than free space loss, given the receive characteristics of an HT. I have successfuly worked stations 150 miles (plus) distant with an HT and just a few watts (mountaintop ops). Free space loss calculator: http://www.comsearch.com/broadband/tools_fsl.jsp Which is why a Nobel Prize winning physicist (I can't remember which) has referred to SETI as the "Silly Exercise in Total Incompetence" :) >My balloon will be at 10,000 feet (MSL), and I'm thinking it should be >hitting >a wider range of digipeaters than at a lower level. Not necessarily. At 10,000 feet MSL your sea-level horizon is only 141 miles away. LOS calculator: http://www.vwlowen.demon.co.uk/java/horizon.htm Taking into account the radiation pattern of your antenna and the reception pattern of a digi's antenna may mean that although they are LOS, the polarization and path losses are too great for a packet to be decoded. Remember, packet is not a weak-signal mode. Look at satellite operations. You may not be able to work a satellite with your omni antenna, but replace it with a 3 or 4 element beam pointed at the satellite and all the sudden it becomes quite easy. 73, Mark KC7BXS --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 24 11:00:33 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id LAA16662 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:00:27 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim Olsen" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] RE: Distance versus wattage Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:01:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <000801c08627$403f2320$c800000a@jolsen.ditell.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk I currently run a TH-D7A on an ultralight airplane (powered parachute), so I can share a few of my experiences, so far. The setup is basically a garmin gpsIIIplus, tied into a TH-D7A. The TH-D7A is tied into a comtronics intercom system, along with my aircraft radio. The intercom let's me transmit on either radio, with the flip of a switch, and hear both radios at once. It makes a pretty nice setup (since the headphones/mike are built into the helmet). I think I have more aviation electronics on my ultralight than some certified aircraft :-). First, is that 10,000 MSL (Mean Sea Level) or AGL (Above Ground Level). It makes a big difference in these parts, since the place I take off from around here is at 6700 MSL (Park City, Utah)! Alot of the repeaters themselves are at 10,000 MSL. I have found that getting above the terrain makes a huge difference, and 5 watts is enough to cover a very large area. I have zero problems hitting the digipeater in my truck (sitting approximately 700-2000 feet lower, and up to several miles away). I also find that once I am about 1200AGL/7900MSL, I have zero problem clearing the mountains (at 10,000 MSL) and getting down into Salt Lake City (at approx. 4700 MSL and 30 miles away). In a situation with very flat terrain, I could expect to extend this range quite a bit. Salt Lake has some very large mountains around it. So if you are simply trying to track the balloon in a flat area, I don't believe you should have a problem. Any more ?'s, feel free to email me, Jim Olsen KC7GGQ jolsen@novonyx.com cavers@caversdigest.com http://www.caversdigest.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 24 12:47:53 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id MAA00966 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:47:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: "Hazen, Dwight L" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: National Frequency Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:47:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB6403556B81@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk > How much wattage do I need in the "middle of no where" U.S. to beacon on > 144.39? Is there really full U.S. coverage? I am trying to decide > between a 50w or 80w HT amplifier. As you have heard you have to double your power to see any improvement in range. Antenna gain and feed line loss are the most overlooked ways to improve transmit range on VHF/UHF. Also I fine that receiving APRS while mobile is the hardest part. I can see the transmitter send out the pack and then see/hear the digi repeat it. but the radio did not decode it. So you might be seen on the map, but your are unable to receive packets while you are moving. This could be caused by any number of things. I would think that mobile noise and mobile flutter are the main causes. Dwight Dwight L. Hazen, Indiana University, UITS Bloomington, In. 47408-7378 Phone 812-855-5367 hazen@indiana.edu http://php.ucs.indiana.edu/~hazen/ Ham Radio wb9tlh@arrl.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Skip Allison [SMTP:sallison@megsinet.net] > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:19 AM > To: TAPR Hot Technology APRS > Subject: [htaprs] Re: National Frequency > > > > --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 24 12:59:37 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id MAA02037 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:59:35 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.usna.edu: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:59:17 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: Distance versus wattage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk > At 06:53 24/01/01 -0500, Fred Dinkler wrote: > >I am rigging an TH-D7 to a hot-air balloon for APRS tracking purposes. > >Is the wattage versus distance discussion due to line-of-sight limitations, > >or is it simply attenuation of the signal over distance? Except for microwaves, there is practically NO attenuation of radio waves in air or in space. They go forever to infinite distances... (the ionosphere is a different matter)... What makes signals get weaker is that the 1 watt you transmitted is being spread out over the surface area of an ever increasing sphere radiating outward in all directions. Since the surface area of a sphere is proportional to the radius squared, this is why radio signals get "weaker" by 1/r^2.... not because of any "attenuation"... In your case, if you have line of sight between the balloon and any receiver, then the power received is only deminished by this "spreading" factor which is called "space loss". For a typical 2m FM signal with 1 watt transmitter into an OMNI antenna, you should be able to hear it well out beyond 3000 miles... (again, as long as nothing is in the way, like the Earth or... TREES)... de WB4APR, Bob --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 24 13:46:42 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id NAA10134 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:46:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: tarnerich@in-situ.com (Tony Arnerich) To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] More Info (Was Re: National Frequency) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:44:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <01C08603.5B6455E0.tarnerich@in-situ.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk diputs asked about necessary power level for APRS I'll chime in with the "moderate power/big antenna crowd". In my own experience I use the lowest power setting on my mobile as a general rule. That 10W gets the job done 95% of the time, and I spend a good deal of my APRS air time in fringe reception areas. Sometimes when 10 doesn't make, it 20 will. When 20 doesn't, neither does 50. However, the benefits from a really good antenna can't be overstated. It will help you on TX and RX. The improvement from going from a 1/4 wave ground plane to a 1/2 wave or 5/8 wave seems to be on the order of 10X. That's more than the gain alone would predict, but it's also the case that a 1/4 wave's gain lobes are pointed up, not towards that distant digi on the horizon. Both 1/2 and 5/8 wave antennas have excellent radiation patterns. Something you'll like about the 1/2 wave is that it is "ground independent" to an extent. That means you don't need an excellent ground plane on the vehicle like a 1/4 or 5/8 whip does, an extremely important consideration on a metal-challenged vehicle like a motorcycle. I suggest that you do a web search on bicycle-mobile enthusiasts (there is an organization out there with that focus but the name escapes me at the moment). Then thank your lucky stars that your bicycle is relatively enormous and contains an infinitely better 12V power system. If you wish you can construct a decent ground plane out of wide copper strips which you can manage to tuck out of sight. 1/4 wave radius or longer is the way to go, and the minimal case is a 1/2 wave long strip, connected in the center. It doesn't have to be perfectly flat and straight, I've made superb ground plane antennas with the counterpoise radials pretzeled into really funky looking arrangements to save space. Diamond, Comet and others create well made mobile antennas, including dual band models that act as 1/2 wave on 2M and stacked elements on 440. I'm very satisfied with the Diamond NR770HB. I use it for APRS and my voice operations on a different radio have to make do with my home-made 1/4 whip. If you go for a black version note that effectively it's invisible 75% of the time. This might be good or bad for you. A shiny bare metal antenna is highly visible 90% of the time. >so was thinking about going with the D7A, and an amplifier. I >also like the idea of being able to take the HT with me. ... >Things I've learned. Good stiff mobile antenna. (Anyone want to give >their favorites?) 80w amp is unnecessary, 50w is ample. ... >But I do >not understand what I need (power) to be seen, or how I know if I am >heard if I don't have access to a computer on the trip. The D7 will tell you. >How much RF radiation will be going through my body if I Tx every 5 >minutes with a mobile antenna mounted right behind me. Will I start >glowing? Not at all, you'll be brown and crispy instead. Hey, you just correctly answered a few questions about RF safety to pass your test. How about you telling those who haven't taken a test since the safety questions were added in 1997? ;-) Seriously, you just identified the best reason of all to not even think about running 80W! Another benefit of a high gain antenna is that in the near field the radiation is diluted because the antenna aperture is so large. Without doing the math, 10W is probably OK if you can get the antenna a couple feet away, 50W is probably not. 50W is certainly too high in the case of innocent bystanders, like a passenger or the rider next to you in the lane. Have fun! Tony KD7TA --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 24 14:52:26 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id OAA19729 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:52:08 -0600 (CST) From: "Richard Carter" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] RE: More Info (Was Re: National Frequency) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:56:10 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk There is another reason to use lower power settings. If you assume a modest 3db gain antenna, the estimated minimum distance for Maximum Permissible Exposure is 1 meter at 50w assuming a 50% duty cycle and a controlled environment(REF: FCC Part 1 and Office of Engineering and Technology (OET) Bulletin 65 supplement B pp24). You can modify this number for higher gain antennas, but you probably should almost double it because I don't think it is a controlled environment. To my knowledge, there is no provision for lower duty cycles. How close are your passengers to the antenna if it is mounted on a fender of your vehicle? My antenna is about 1 meter from my postion at the driver's seat. I run the radio at 10W. Regards Rich - KE1EV -----Original Message----- From: bounce-htaprs-14533@lists.tapr.org [mailto:bounce-htaprs-14533@lists.tapr.org]On Behalf Of Tony Arnerich Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 2:44 PM To: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] More Info (Was Re: National Frequency) diputs asked about necessary power level for APRS I'll chime in with the "moderate power/big antenna crowd". In my own experience I use the lowest power setting on my mobile as a general rule. That 10W gets the job done 95% of the time, and I spend a good deal of my APRS air time in fringe reception areas. Sometimes when 10 doesn't make, it 20 will. When 20 doesn't, neither does 50. However, the benefits from a really good antenna can't be overstated. It will help you on TX and RX. The improvement from going from a 1/4 wave ground plane to a 1/2 wave or 5/8 wave seems to be on the order of 10X. That's more than the gain alone would predict, but it's also the case that a 1/4 wave's gain lobes are pointed up, not towards that distant digi on the horizon. Both 1/2 and 5/8 wave antennas have excellent radiation patterns. Something you'll like about the 1/2 wave is that it is "ground independent" to an extent. That means you don't need an excellent ground plane on the vehicle like a 1/4 or 5/8 whip does, an extremely important consideration on a metal-challenged vehicle like a motorcycle. I suggest that you do a web search on bicycle-mobile enthusiasts (there is an organization out there with that focus but the name escapes me at the moment). Then thank your lucky stars that your bicycle is relatively enormous and contains an infinitely better 12V power system. If you wish you can construct a decent ground plane out of wide copper strips which you can manage to tuck out of sight. 1/4 wave radius or longer is the way to go, and the minimal case is a 1/2 wave long strip, connected in the center. It doesn't have to be perfectly flat and straight, I've made superb ground plane antennas with the counterpoise radials pretzeled into really funky looking arrangements to save space. Diamond, Comet and others create well made mobile antennas, including dual band models that act as 1/2 wave on 2M and stacked elements on 440. I'm very satisfied with the Diamond NR770HB. I use it for APRS and my voice operations on a different radio have to make do with my home-made 1/4 whip. If you go for a black version note that effectively it's invisible 75% of the time. This might be good or bad for you. A shiny bare metal antenna is highly visible 90% of the time. >so was thinking about going with the D7A, and an amplifier. I >also like the idea of being able to take the HT with me. ... >Things I've learned. Good stiff mobile antenna. (Anyone want to give >their favorites?) 80w amp is unnecessary, 50w is ample. ... >But I do >not understand what I need (power) to be seen, or how I know if I am >heard if I don't have access to a computer on the trip. The D7 will tell you. >How much RF radiation will be going through my body if I Tx every 5 >minutes with a mobile antenna mounted right behind me. Will I start >glowing? Not at all, you'll be brown and crispy instead. Hey, you just correctly answered a few questions about RF safety to pass your test. How about you telling those who haven't taken a test since the safety questions were added in 1997? ;-) Seriously, you just identified the best reason of all to not even think about running 80W! Another benefit of a high gain antenna is that in the near field the radiation is diluted because the antenna aperture is so large. Without doing the math, 10W is probably OK if you can get the antenna a couple feet away, 50W is probably not. 50W is certainly too high in the case of innocent bystanders, like a passenger or the rider next to you in the lane. Have fun! Tony KD7TA --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: rcarter@isi.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 24 16:38:57 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id QAA00506 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:38:56 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:39:12 -0800 From: diputs Reply-To: diputs@geocities.com X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] RE: More Info (Was Re: National Frequency) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3A6F83C0.B52B4293@erols.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk You take the tech test, and there is very little that you need to remember on MPE. I read "Now your talking" two months ago, so I forgot all the details already. Plus I read it thinking about being an HT user, and not realizing that if you add an amplifier and an antenna, there is a lot more to consider. Based on the information I have received, I am going to stick with the 5w out of the HT with a 1/2 wave antenna mounted as far back on the motorcycle as possible. I will run a ground wire to the chassis. The antenna will probably still be too close, so I won't transmit with a passenger. I'll focus on hitting satellites instead of digipeaters. I'll just have to estimate where I am going to be and when, and then print out the time schedules for those three months. I'm glad I asked the right questions, before spending the money. This hobby can get expensive after you buy all the equipment you "need" to own!!!:) Richard Carter wrote: > > There is another reason to use lower power settings. If you assume a modest > 3db gain antenna, the estimated minimum distance for Maximum Permissible > Exposure is 1 meter at 50w assuming a 50% duty cycle and a controlled > environment(REF: FCC Part 1 and Office of Engineering and Technology (OET) > Bulletin 65 supplement B pp24). You can modify this number for higher gain > antennas, but you probably should almost double it because I don't think it > is a controlled environment. To my knowledge, there is no provision for > lower duty cycles. > > How close are your passengers to the antenna if it is mounted on a fender of > your vehicle? My antenna is about 1 meter from my postion at the driver's > seat. I run the radio at 10W. > > Regards > Rich - KE1EV > Tony wrote.... > > Not at all, you'll be brown and crispy instead. Hey, you just correctly > answered a few questions about RF safety to pass your test. How about you > telling those who haven't taken a test since the safety questions were added > in 1997? ;-) > > Seriously, you just identified the best reason of all to not even think > about > running 80W! Another benefit of a high gain antenna is that in the near > field > the radiation is diluted because the antenna aperture is so large. Without > doing the math, 10W is probably OK if you can get the antenna a couple feet > away, 50W is probably not. 50W is certainly too high in the case of innocent > bystanders, like a passenger or the rider next to you in the lane. > > Have fun! > > Tony KD7TA > -- diputs (spell it backwards) -- "Next time I will..." "From now on I will..." --What makes me think I am wiser today than I will be tomorrow? Notes to Myself by Hugh Prather -- Nighthawk and Blackbird --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 24 18:43:32 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id SAA13127 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:43:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:43:18 -0700 From: Brian Badger Subject: [htaprs] RE: More Info (Was Re: National Frequency) Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_j4oa8/OgVrvFCnZJZnj65A)" X-Accept-Language: en List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3A6F76A6.C430AC3E@wcom.com> Precedence: bulk --Boundary_(ID_j4oa8/OgVrvFCnZJZnj65A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Richard Carter wrote: > There is another reason to use lower power settings. If you assume= a modest > 3db gain antenna, the estimated minimum distance for Maximum Permis= sible > Exposure is 1 meter at 50w assuming a 50% duty cycle and a controll= ed > environment(REF: FCC Part 1 and Office of Engineering and Technolog= y (OET) > Bulletin 65 supplement B pp24). You can modify this number for hi= gher gain > antennas, but you probably should almost double it because I don't = think it > is a controlled environment. To my knowledge, there is no provisio= n for > lower duty cycles. 1) It is a controlled environment. Uncontrolled environment would be= the area where people who haven't agreed to your transmissions would be -- on = a motorcycle that better be at least 3 meters away or you're in real tr= ouble (with traffic cops, not the FCC) 2) There are provisions for lower duty cycles. This IS on the Techni= cian test, and is revisited on the General and Extra. An APRS beacon of 100w ERP for a <1% duty cycle at 1 meter is not abo= ve MPE for controlled or uncontrolled environments. -- Brian Badger, Worldcom NGSN Signaling Gateway Development KC=D8HI= R DM78nw --Boundary_(ID_j4oa8/OgVrvFCnZJZnj65A) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Richard Carter wrote:
There is another reason to use lower power se= ttings.  If you assume a modest
3db gain antenna, the estimated minimum distance for Maximum Perm= issible
Exposure is 1 meter at 50w assuming a 50% duty cycle and a contro= lled
environment(REF: FCC Part 1 and Office of Engineering and Technol= ogy (OET)
Bulletin 65 supplement B pp24).   You can modify this n= umber for higher gain
antennas, but you probably should almost double it because I don'= t think it
is a controlled environment.  To my knowledge, there is no p= rovision for
lower duty cycles.
1) It is a controlled environment.  Uncontrolled environmen= t would be the area where people who haven't agreed to your transmissio= ns would be -- on a motorcycle that better be at least 3 meters away or = you're in real trouble (with traffic cops, not the FCC)

2) There are provisions for lower duty cycles.  This IS = on the Technician test, and is revisited on the General and Extra.

An APRS beacon of 100w ERP for a <1% duty cycle at 1 meter is n= ot above MPE for controlled or uncontrolled environments.



--
Brian Badger, Worldcom NGSN Signaling Gateway Development  =
   KCØHIR DM78nw
--Boundary_(ID_j4oa8/OgVrvFCnZJZnj65A)-- --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 24 22:06:54 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id WAA02980 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:06:51 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:06:42 -0800 (PST) From: Barry Bogart Subject: [htaprs] Re: More Info (Was Re: National Frequency) To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <20010125040642.98712.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk I > suggest that you do a web > search on bicycle-mobile enthusiasts (there is an > organization out there with > that focus but the name escapes me at the moment). Bicycle Mobile Hams of America (and elsewhere!) is at http://lafetra.com/bmha/Info/Info-BicycleMobile.htm. Both Larsen and Shoestring Antennas sell 1/2 waves for bikes. BTW I will be bike mobile with APRS every weekend starting April and every day in July. I use a D7, Larsen, PocketAPRS and an eTrex. Findme. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 24 22:08:44 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id WAA03007 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:08:43 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:08:30 -0800 (PST) From: Barry Bogart Subject: [htaprs] Re: Distance versus wattage To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <20010125040830.83620.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk --- Bob Bruninga wrote: > > At 06:53 24/01/01 -0500, Fred Dinkler wrote: > > >I am rigging an TH-D7 to a hot-air balloon for > APRS tracking purposes. > > >Is the wattage versus distance discussion due to > line-of-sight limitations, > > >or is it simply attenuation of the signal over > distance? > > Except for microwaves, there is practically NO > attenuation of radio waves > in air or in space. They go forever to infinite > distances... (the > ionosphere is a different matter)... Thanks for the clarification. I was starting to think that my 6m QRP DX was imaginary! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 24 22:19:24 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id WAA03368 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:19:21 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:17:44 -0600 From: Skip Allison X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: More Info (Was Re: National Frequency) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3A6FA8E8.E03A6E38@megsinet.net> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Tony Arnerich wrote: . (snip) . > That 10W gets the job done 95% of the time, and I spend a good deal of my > APRS air time in fringe reception areas. Sometimes when 10 doesn't make, it > 20 will. When 20 doesn't, neither does 50. That doesn't make any sense. 10 to 20 watts is a 3 dB improvement. 20 to 50 watts is a 4 dB improvement. Are you saying 3 dB makes a difference, but 4 dB doesn't? > However, the benefits from a really good antenna can't be overstated. It will > help you on TX and RX. The improvement from going from a 1/4 wave ground > plane to a 1/2 wave or 5/8 wave seems to be on the order of 10X. That's more > than the gain alone would predict, but it's also the case that a 1/4 wave's > gain lobes are pointed up, not towards that distant digi on the horizon. Both > 1/2 and 5/8 wave antennas have excellent radiation patterns. The gain of most antennas is measured toward the horizon. A 5/8 wave antenna will have 3 dB gain over a 1/4 wave antenna at the horizon. That equates to a 2X improvement in power - not 10. Using a 5/8 wave antenna will make about as much improvement as doubling the power. But the advantage of the gain antenna is that it gives you the same gain on receive too. Skip K9SA --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 24 23:07:58 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id XAA06664 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:07:57 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: fixup-htaprs@lists.tapr.org@fixme Message-Id: X-Sender: sparkfel@pop.primenet.com Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:07:25 -0600 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Mark Fellhauer Subject: [htaprs] Re: Distance versus wattage Cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010124223322.00b29570@pop.primenet.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk At 10:08 PM 1/24/01, Barry Bogart wrote: >Thanks for the clarification. I was starting to think >that my 6m QRP DX was imaginary! > 2 meters and up is a lot different than 6 meters. Would you compare 40 meters to 70 cm? Nope. Different frequencies propagate at different rates. Sometimes I wonder if the testing for amateur radio needs to be stepped up. And of course certain atmospheric and natural conditions are from time-to-time going to allow radio waves to travel farther than expected. But for all intents and purposes - the general expectation for LOS 2-meter FM is 60 miles or less. 73, Mark KC7BXS --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 24 23:11:45 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id XAA06892 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:11:40 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: yd794@mail.victoria.tc.ca Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:48:08 -0800 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: JD Erskine VA7JD Subject: [htaprs] Re: More Info (Was Re: National Frequency) 1/2 wave ant/BMHA In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010124194808.009e5a20@mail.victoria.tc.ca> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk At 12:44 24/01/01 -0700, Tony Arnerich wrote: snip >Something you'll like about the 1/2 wave is that it is "ground independent" >to an extent. That means you don't need an excellent ground plane on the >vehicle like a 1/4 or 5/8 whip does, an extremely important consideration on >a metal-challenged vehicle like a motorcycle. I suggest that you do a web >search on bicycle-mobile enthusiasts (there is an organization out there with >that focus but the name escapes me at the moment). Then thank your lucky >stars that your bicycle is relatively enormous and contains an infinitely >better 12V power system. I met a bunch of the folks from BMHA at Dayton in 92 es 93. Some were rolling their own 1/2 wave antennas for 2m. http://lafetra.com/bmha/ >Diamond, Comet and others create well made mobile antennas, including dual >band models that act as 1/2 wave on 2M and stacked elements on 440. I'm very >satisfied with the Diamond NR770HB. snip >Have fun! > >Tony KD7TA Larsen had a dual band version called a 2/70 which was a 1/2 wave on 2m. I used this quite successfully for voice and mobile digital over the years. They also make one designed for field use that may be rolled up to store. It has an SO-239 base and flexible vertical radial, coil number is something-150 and the "vertical" radial may be easily replaced with one of their whips. We were looking at this for my former partner's bicycle installation. Many marine VHF mast-top antennas are 1/2 wave and if the coil will allow replacing the whip with a longer one may suffice. Have fun and remember, Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. To trite? Ok, keep your stick on the ice. 73 JD VA7JD@rac.ca VA7OTC --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 25 00:42:51 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id AAA16634 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:42:50 -0600 (CST) To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Reply-To: gregg.wonderly@pobox.com Subject: [htaprs] Re: More Info (Was Re: National Frequency) 1/2 wave ant/BMHA In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:48:08 -0800. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:42:27 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Gregg G. Wonderly" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <19624.980404947@skymaster.c2-tech.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk >We were looking at this for my former partner's bicycle >installation. Many marine VHF mast-top antennas are 1/2 wave and if the >coil will allow replacing the whip with a longer one may suffice. I use a rollup J-Pole that works great on my bike. A $5.00 bike flag is a great mast to tape the antenna to. see http://www.c2-tech.com/~gregg/kd5kgr/aprs/#jpole ----- gregg@c2-tech.com (C2 Technologies Inc) --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 25 00:54:17 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id AAA17101 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:54:10 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:53:50 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Vodall Reply-To: wa7nwp@yahoo.com Subject: [htaprs] Re: More Info 1/2 wave ant/BMHA To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <20010125065350.1327.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk --- "Gregg G. Wonderly" wrote: > I use a rollup J-Pole that works great on my bike. A $5.00 bike flag > is a great mast to tape the antenna to. > see http://www.c2-tech.com/~gregg/kd5kgr/aprs/#jpole AMEN! That puts a 1/2 wave antenna, which needs no ground plane, at a reasonable height above the bike. Worked great for me for nearly a thousand miles through the Montanan and Canadian Rockies, and many more miles "getting ready". If only APRS and the VE6/VE7 network had been in place back in 1992... One difference is I used a coaxial J-pole. Put a small shorted matching stub at the right place and it's an instant J-pole. I use old coax lan cable. It even has the BNC connector pre-installed. One of these days I'll find the magazine article (on portable packet) that described the details of the antenna so I can better share it. 73, Bill - WA7NWP __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 25 09:21:37 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id JAA28134 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:21:33 -0600 (CST) To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" cc: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Reply-To: gregg.wonderly@pobox.com Subject: [htaprs] Re: More Info 1/2 wave ant/BMHA In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:53:50 -0800. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:21:11 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Gregg G. Wonderly" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <30792.980436071@skymaster.c2-tech.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk >AMEN! That puts a 1/2 wave antenna, which needs no ground plane, at >a reasonable height above the bike. Worked great for me for nearly > a thousand miles through the Montanan and Canadian Rockies, and > many more miles "getting ready". If only APRS and the VE6/VE7 >network had been in place back in 1992... I used mine in the Tulsa MS-150 bike ride last fall, and it worked great. I got into voice repeaters 30-40 miles away with my 5 watt HT (THD7-A) and I ran APRS on the other band and it worked another 10 miles or so after I lost the one repeater that I was listening to. ----- gregg@c2-tech.com (C2 Technologies Inc) --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 25 11:52:43 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id LAA14059 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:52:43 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: "T&L Stuart" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" References: Subject: [htaprs] Re: Distance versus wattage Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:34:20 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <001801c086f8$2977c3a0$787fed18@polrbear> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk What it sounds like you need is a 1/2 wave dipole attached to the top of the balloon, or a 1/4 wave ground plane hung below the balloon. I would think that hanging it below or above will present some challenges, but then you can get it 50' to 100' away from you and run 80watts with impunity. I might be wrong about this, but it seems that everyone else is thinking of a balloon as an unusual type of vehicle whereas I saw it as an unusual type of antenna tower. --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 25 12:08:38 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id MAA15170 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:08:35 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: Patrick Beard To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] TH-D7A PC-Cable Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:08:18 -0800 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <34D4BA024561D311AFEA00000000656D0509EB54@EXCHCA> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Last night I made a PC Cable for my TH-D7A. Getting a lot of Computer Noise. :-( even changed the beat frequency with no luck. Does the Kenwood supplied cable have any better performance? any suggestions? The radio is almost not usable while connected to the P.C. It maybe the USB to Serial adapter I am using creating the extra noise. (No Serial ports on my Sony Picture Book) Thanks for any suggestions..... 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MY88NH2!HLC>X/\YR3X?<5'YICD$E]6^-*Q23]VZYSCO]\KY,I'TTO#C-,PX; MAZ]\YTCG<\\W!W1Z/LJI0^>KS4L=U:,G_>IH7CIW%8;7F5_7G`=1.=;'SG.) 6;G?-XW,Z2*!^7==D5.QDC_NA`P(`.P== ` end --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 25 12:46:58 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id MAA17313 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:46:57 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: tarnerich@in-situ.com (Tony Arnerich) To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: More Info (Was Re: National Frequency) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:44:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <01C086C4.28FDAF40.tarnerich@in-situ.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Skip Allison replied, >Tony Arnerich wrote: >> That 10W gets the job done 95% of the time, and I spend a good deal of my >> APRS air time in fringe reception areas. Sometimes when 10 doesn't make, it >> 20 will. When 20 doesn't, neither does 50. > >That doesn't make any sense. 10 to 20 watts is a 3 dB improvement. 20 >to 50 >watts is a 4 dB improvement. Are you saying 3 dB makes a difference, >but 4 dB >doesn't? No, but I should give you all the available detail of what I've experienced. Around here you can get digipeated and decode the repeat 100 or more miles away if you have line of sight. I think 125 miles is my personal record. 50 mile links are common, and 25 mile links are just about a minimum expectation. It's remarkable how well a digi that's 1000 to 3000 feet above the intervening terrain can perform, the Front Range guys have done a great job. There are many fringe areas where I just barely drop out because of topography, buildings or vegetation; that's where the 20W helps sometimes. There are also some total black holes such as hollows in the landscape. Those hollows are where 20W and 50W both fail. What I'm talking about is the difference between 20 dB too little and 16 dB too little. Effectively they are both 0% success. The change from Good to Bad is often gradual here. The change from Bad to Impossible is often very sudden, so realistically 50W would increase my coverage area by only a few percent at most. >> The improvement from going from a 1/4 wave ground >> plane to a 1/2 wave or 5/8 wave seems to be on the order of 10X. >The gain of most antennas is measured toward the horizon. A 5/8 wave >antenna will have 3 dB gain over a 1/4 wave antenna at the horizon. That >equates to a 2X improvement in power - not 10. We're thinking of two different metrics. You are thinking of field strength, I'm thinking of digipeat success in terms of 100% 2-way copy. Because packets can get lost going either direction the effect of the link quality is compounded. And remember that a gain antenna's center of radiation is at a higher elevation than a 1/4 wave's, as installed on the same vehicle. If it's true that the three most important properties of an antenna are "Elevation, elevation, and elevation", then every foot can help when you're down near road level. To relate elevation to the case of a motorcycle installation, that's the difference between being at or above rider level vs. below rider level. The local horizon as seen by the antenna is extremely high. You're correct, my "10X" figure was not at all mathematically rigorous. I stand guilty. But the effect is very large. In my case the improvement of using a gain antenna on my Expedition is the difference between rare digipeats that I can't decode, vs. solid 2-way copy throughout the length of a canyon 40 miles away from the digipeater. Locally you might call that an infinite improvement using my metric. >Using a 5/8 wave antenna will make about as much improvement as doubling >the >power. But the advantage of the gain antenna is that it gives you the >same >gain on receive too. Perfect agreement there! "You can't work 'em if you can't hear 'em." 73, Tony KD7TA --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 25 13:36:57 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id NAA22179 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:36:54 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:00:24 -0700 From: Robert Hull Reply-To: rhull@NMSU.Edu Organization: Particle Astrophysics Lab MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] [Fwd: hams, balloons, and APRS] Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3A708063.7EF3@gauss.nmsu.edu> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <3A706E84.6AC6@gauss.nmsu.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:43:50 -0700 From: Robert Hull Reply-To: rhull@gauss.nmsu.edu Organization: Particle Astrophysics Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-AICK1-2 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: T&L Stuart Subject: [htaprs] hams, balloons, and APRS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Last year, at the Albuquerque International Balloon Fiesta America's Challenge gas balloon race, APRS tracking was provided for chase crews and the public (with web access). Here is the URL for information on those systems. This was a very cool and obvious application for the technology. http://www.explorium.org/exhibits/Tech_Corner/Americas%20Challenge.htm Robert Hull KD5KKM --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 25 14:06:10 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id OAA25787 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:06:08 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:5:54 Subject: [htaprs] TH-D7A(G) & PC Cable To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: "Patrick Beard" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Message-Id: Precedence: bulk Last night I made a PC Cable for my TH-D7A. Getting a lot of Computer Noise. :-( even changed the beat frequency with no luck. Does the Kenwood supplied cable have any better performance? any suggestions? The radio is almost not usable while connected to the P.C. It maybe the USB to Serial adapter I am using creating the extra noise. (No Serial ports on my Sony Picture Book) Thanks for any suggestions..... Patrick KC6TVB --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 25 14:10:24 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id OAA26042 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:10:22 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: fixup-htaprs@lists.tapr.org@fixme Message-Id: X-Sender: sparkfel@pop.primenet.com Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:09:35 -0600 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Mark Fellhauer Subject: [htaprs] Re: More Info (Was Re: National Frequency) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010125140714.00b199c0@pop.primenet.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk At 12:44 PM 1/25/01, Tony Arnerich wrote: >No, but I should give you all the available detail of what I've experienced. >Around here you can get digipeated and decode the repeat 100 or more miles >away if you have line of sight. I think 125 miles is my personal record. 50 >mile links are common, and 25 mile links are just about a minimum >expectation. It's remarkable how well a digi that's 1000 to 3000 feet above >the intervening terrain can perform, the Front Range guys have done a great >job. They're doing a great job. Right now findu is showng you outside of Bayan Gol, China. That's quite a digipeat. :) 73, Mark KC7BXS --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 25 14:59:14 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id OAA01562 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:59:12 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: tarnerich@in-situ.com (Tony Arnerich) To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] RE: More Info (Was Re: National Frequency) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:56:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <01C086D6.9C1F6380.tarnerich@in-situ.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk I said, >the Front Range guys have done a great job. Mark replied, >They're doing a great job. Right now findu is showng you outside of Bayan >Gol, China. That's quite a digipeat. :) Well, the digis show me in Laramie anyway. IGate dyslexia has been a rich discussion topic on this SIG for a few months now. 73, Tony KD7TA --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 25 15:16:37 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id PAA03696 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:16:34 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: fixup-htaprs@lists.tapr.org@fixme Message-Id: X-Sender: sparkfel@pop.primenet.com Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:15:57 -0600 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Mark Fellhauer Subject: [htaprs] RE: More Info (Was Re: National Frequency) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010125151520.00b1ca10@pop.primenet.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk At 02:56 PM 1/25/01, Tony Arnerich wrote: >Well, the digis show me in Laramie anyway. IGate dyslexia has been a rich >discussion topic on this SIG for a few months now. Looks like someone isn't running the most current version of WinAPRS. Mark --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 25 15:53:45 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id PAA07316 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:53:43 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:53:27 -0800 (PST) From: Barry Bogart Subject: [htaprs] Re: More Info 1/2 wave ant/BMHA To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <20010125215327.47786.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk There is a plan for a 'bike J-pole' on the Bike Mobile Hams site. --- Bill Vodall wrote: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Thu Jan 25 16:13:35 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id QAA09040 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:13:30 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: "Richard Amirault" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" References: Subject: [htaprs] Re: More Info (Was Re: National Frequency) 1/2 wave ant/BMHA Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:13:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <001a01c0871c$189c3ba0$71ffaccf@ramirault> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk I used the Larson 2/70 for bicycle mobile (voice) for *years* with good results. Richard Amirault N1JDU Boston, MA, USA www.erols.com/ramirault "Go Fly A Kite" ----- Original Message ----- From: "JD Erskine VA7JD" Subject: [htaprs] Re: More Info (Was Re: National Frequency) 1/2 wave ant/BMHA > Larsen had a dual band version called a 2/70 which was a 1/2 wave on 2m. I > used this quite successfully for voice and mobile digital over the years. --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Fri Jan 26 00:26:29 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id AAA03163 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:26:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: "Brent Hildebrand" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Posted - APRS+SA v1.99YJ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:25:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <001201c08760$d89c3560$4194b3d1@celeron> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tapr.org id AAA03163 Posted - APRS+SA v1.99YJ. Fixed - parsing error in "@" where Altitude was ignored. Added support for AEA DSP-2232. DSP-2232 style input is auto-detected, and converted to APRS+SA compatible input. The update is available on the APRS+SA FTP site at TAPR, or via the APRS+SA web page, download section. The file is APRSPLUS199YJ.zip. If you are running v1.99YH, you download the file UPDATE199YJ.zip. Unzip this file to your APRS+SA directory, and rerun SETUP.EXE. Brent Hildebrand, KH2Z APRS+SA http://www.tapr.org/~kh2z/aprsplus ftp://ftp.tapr.org/aprssig/winstuff/aprsplus [] --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sat Jan 27 02:21:21 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id CAA08355 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 02:21:16 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 02:15:57 -0600 From: "Murry M. Kachel" X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Change of Primary Email Address Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3A7283BC.A7A17199@delrio.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk my NEW email address IMMEDIATELY is: mkachel@peoplepc.com Please update your records.. Murry N5PJR / AFA4MK --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sat Jan 27 13:02:38 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id NAA21595 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:02:37 -0600 (CST) X-Originating-IP: [216.234.207.26] From: "Jim Morrison" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] UK batteries Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 19:02:05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2001 19:02:06.0060 (UTC) FILETIME=[A41232C0:01C08893] List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk A question for the group- I'll be visiting England and Wales in the spring and plan to take my D-7 so I can keep up with SO-35. I don't want to mess with charger adapters so I plan to use the AA battery pack for the radio. Are AA alkaline batteries available in the UK??? I never thought about this until my travel partner asked me if I could get batteries for the "radio thingy" (don't ya love em?). Thanks for the help! 73's Jim Morrison KM5BS Hobbs, NM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sun Jan 28 07:57:48 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id HAA28754 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 07:57:41 -0600 (CST) X-Sent: 28 Jan 2001 13:56:57 GMT Message-ID: Reply-To: "Charlie Kunz" From: "Charlie Kunz" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] re: UK Batteries Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 05:51:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C088EE.51BCDE20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <002a01c08932$2c1b2340$6401a8c0@CAK> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C088EE.51BCDE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They are widely available. =20 A related question... Has anyone used the MAHA rechargeable AAs in the = BT-11 battery case for the TH-D7A? The manual says to only use = alkalines, but I've used them successfully in my Icom battery case. The = little MAHA charger comes with an automobile power cable. I used the = batteries and charger with my digital camera when I went to England last = May and it worked great. I'd like to see a BT-? that held 6 batteries = for the full 9 volts... 73 Charlie AA5QJ Las Vegas NV ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C088EE.51BCDE20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
They are widely available. 
 
A related question... Has anyone used the MAHA = rechargeable=20 AAs in the BT-11 battery case for the TH-D7A? The manual says to only = use=20 alkalines, but I've used them successfully in my Icom battery case. The = little=20 MAHA charger comes with an automobile power cable. I used the batteries = and=20 charger with my digital camera when I went to England last May and = it=20 worked great. I'd like to see a BT-? that held 6 batteries for the = full 9=20 volts...
 
73 Charlie AA5QJ Las Vegas = NV
------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C088EE.51BCDE20-- --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sun Jan 28 12:16:30 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id MAA20039 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:16:30 -0600 (CST) From: "Herb Gerhardt, KB7UVC" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] re: UK Batteries Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 10:19:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C08913.BE580F80" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <000401c08956$cc73ae60$33901fd0@oemcomputer> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C08913.BE580F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The reason they recommend alkaline batteries is voltage level. The alkalines each are about 1.5 V times 4 for 6.0 V total. The rechargeables are nominally 1.25 V each for a total of 5.0 V. The radio will shut down somewhere above 4 volts. That does not leave you much operating use on rechargeables. Alternatives are to get the Ray-O-Vac's RENEWAL rechargeable alkaline batteries. These are rated at 1.5 V each which will give the 6 V. Of course even at 6 V you will only be transmitting at around 2 watts instead of the 5 watts at 9.6 V. Other alternatives are to get a AA battery holder that will hold 6 batteries and solder a cord and connector on so that you can plug in external power to the radio. The better way is to get a 12 V Gel Cell and hook it up as an external power source. Old laptop batteries can also be utilized for this function. You can rig up chargers that work from a 12 V car power system, but that may require the car to be running and keeping the cars battery charging system at 13.8 V. I have purchased a 12 V to 115 V power inverter (140 Watts will do). This allows me to get 115 V AC from my car battery during my hunting trips even with the car not running. That 115 V AC will allow me to use all the standard battery chargers that come with the devices. That is also how I run my laptop which requires 19 V DC, while mobile. Works great, is cheap and makes me totally independent from the grid while on the road. Herb, KB7UVC NW APRS Group, West Sound Coordinator Our WEB Site: www.nwaprs.org My Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/kb7uvc/index.htm > A related question... Has anyone used the MAHA rechargeable AAs in the BT-11 battery case for the TH-D7A? The manual says to only use alkalines, but I've used them successfully in my Icom battery case. The little MAHA charger comes with an automobile power cable. I used the batteries and charger with my digital camera when I went to England last May and it worked great. I'd like to see a BT-? that held 6 batteries for the full 9 volts... 73 Charlie AA5QJ Las Vegas NV ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C08913.BE580F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The reason=20 they recommend alkaline batteries is voltage level.  The alkalines = each are=20 about 1.5 V times 4 for 6.0 V total.  The rechargeables are = nominally 1.25=20 V each for a total of 5.0 V.  The radio will shut down somewhere = above 4=20 volts.  That does not leave you much operating use on=20 rechargeables.
 
Alternatives=20 are to get the Ray-O-Vac's RENEWAL rechargeable alkaline = batteries.  These=20 are rated at 1.5 V each which will give the 6 V.  Of course even at = 6 V you=20 will only be transmitting at around 2 watts instead of the 5 watts at = 9.6=20 V.
 
Other=20 alternatives are to get a AA battery holder that will hold 6 batteries = and=20 solder a cord and connector on so that you can plug in external power to = the=20 radio.  The better way is to get a 12 V Gel Cell and hook it up as = an=20 external power source.  Old laptop batteries can also be utilized = for this=20 function.  You can rig up chargers that work from a 12 V car power = system,=20 but that may require the car to be running and keeping the cars battery = charging=20 system at 13.8 V.
 
I have=20 purchased a 12 V to 115 V power inverter (140 Watts will do).  This = allows=20 me to get 115 V AC from my car battery during my hunting trips even with = the car=20 not running.  That 115 V AC will allow me to use all the standard = battery=20 chargers that come with the devices.  That is also how I run my = laptop=20 which requires 19 V DC, while mobile.  Works great, is cheap and = makes me=20 totally independent from the grid while on the road.
 

Herb, KB7UVC
NW APRS Group, West Sound = Coordinator
Our WEB=20 Site:  www.nwaprs.org
My Home Page:  http://members.nbci.com= /kb7uvc/index.htm
=20

 > A related question... Has anyone = used the=20 MAHA rechargeable AAs in the BT-11 battery case for the TH-D7A? The = manual says=20 to only  use alkalines, = but I've used=20 them successfully in my Icom battery case. The little MAHA charger comes = with an=20 automobile power cable. I used the batteries and charger with my = digital=20 camera when I went to England last May and it worked great. I'd = like to see=20 a BT-? that held 6 batteries for the full 9 volts...
73 Charlie AA5QJ Las Vegas=20 NV
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C08913.BE580F80-- --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sun Jan 28 20:00:46 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id UAA03345 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:00:45 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: From: "Alton" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:57:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [htaprs] Re: More Info 1/2 wave ant/BMHA Priority: normal References: Your message of Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:53:50 -0800. In-reply-to: List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <200101290200.VAA21862@wtccs.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk I have recently become a copper pipe J-pole type person for APRS and other packet, precisely because it mathematically behaves much like a half wave antenna in the upper portion of the long element. We will be backpacking at least a couple of these, a notebook computer, several 7 ampere hour gel cell batteries, mobile rigs, solar panels, and of course at least 2 trackers and a WX station up to Guadalupe Peak on a weekend determined by the weather. Check the newsletter at http://www.w5qgg.org for details. On 25 Jan 01, at 9:21, Gregg G. Wonderly wrote: > >AMEN! That puts a 1/2 wave antenna, which needs no ground plane, at > >a reasonable height above the bike. Worked great for me for nearly > > a thousand miles through the Montanan and Canadian Rockies, and > > many more miles "getting ready". If only APRS and the VE6/VE7 > >network had been in place back in 1992... > > I used mine in the Tulsa MS-150 bike ride last fall, and it worked great. I > got into voice repeaters 30-40 miles away with my 5 watt HT (THD7-A) and I ran > APRS on the other band and it worked another 10 miles or so after I lost the > one repeater that I was listening to. --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Sun Jan 28 20:19:28 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id UAA05189 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:19:25 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: From: "Alton" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:16:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [htaprs] Re: Distance versus wattage Priority: normal In-reply-to: List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <200101290219.VAA28136@wtccs.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Dittos on unusual type of tower. I have had excellent results on a Cessna 140 by mounting a 1/4 wave antenna on the BOTTOM of the fuselage, several feet aft of the aviation band nav and com antennas to reduce desense. Thinking of the geometry in 3-D you would want the lobes aimed sort of downward if the balloon is headed for really high (over 60,000 feet) altitude for the benefit of the chase / payload recovery team. >From a mechanical standpoint, since a balloon envelope is rather flimsy and offers nothing to really mount something to, it's best to just let the antenna hang below the payload, since there will be no real horizontal airflow. Thus an antenna on a balloon can be quite fragile compared to what would be required on a powered aircraft. If the goal is for maximum range, then something like a twin-lead J- pole just dangling by its feedline below the payload ought to work very well. For something like a manned hot-air balloon, just build a copper tube J-pole, use a low-loss coax such as Cushcraft UltraLink, and once airborne just reel out the cable over the side, antenna pointed straight "down", maybe a full hundred feet or more. The weight of the copper tube antenna would guarantee the pattern would be nice and horizontal, and then you could run a kilowatt without cooking yourself if so desired. Just remember of course to reel the thing up during the landing checklist so you don't drag it across power lines or such. Remember that once you get a few wavelengths above the earth, to an antenna there is no real "up" or "down", but just the radiation pattern in relation to the driven and ground elements. On 25 Jan 01, at 8:34, T&L Stuart wrote: > What it sounds like you need is a 1/2 wave dipole attached to the top of the > balloon, or a 1/4 wave ground plane hung below the balloon. I would think > that hanging it below or above will present some challenges, but then you > can get it 50' to 100' away from you and run 80watts with impunity. I might > be wrong about this, but it seems that everyone else is thinking of a > balloon as an unusual type of vehicle whereas I saw it as an unusual type of > antenna tower. --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Mon Jan 29 00:54:21 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id AAA04439 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 00:54:14 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:53:33 -0800 Reply-To: chris@tbo.net From: "Chris Arndt" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] APRS now in an Internet weather program. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <200101282253330990.00D0879E@mail.tbo.net> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk For those of you interested in APRS weather, VWS (Virtual Weather Station) is now apparently able to gate it's weather data to the net APRS servers. The latest version (6.13) was released today at www.ambientsw.com. I don't have any info yet on how or how well it works. I use VWS for my Internet wx pages, and WinAPRS for the APRS wx feed, both off the same Davis weatherstation. VWS is mainly used to generate spiffy web pages containing live weather data, and it works with most brands of weather stations. If you are a VWS user, the APRS feature is under the Servers pull-down menu. It's interesting that a non-amateur application has bypassed the radio portion of APRS and can put the data right on the net. I suppose the question will come up on the VWS list. What's the legality of a non-amateur using a program that feeds data to the APRS servers? I don't know enough about how they work to know if it's possible for that data to be gated back onto RF. (And this could be a way to entice non-amateurs into the hobby.) 73, Chris San Luis Obispo CA Weather Conditions and Cams www.tbo.net/weather.htm APRS weather station KD6DSI WB6HJW Repeater Info www.tbo.net/wb6hjw.htm --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Mon Jan 29 04:17:13 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id EAA24299 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 04:17:12 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:13:21 +0000 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Roger Barker Subject: [htaprs] Re: APRS now in an Internet weather program. References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <5JptM2ABJUd6EweI@peaksys.co.uk> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk In article , Chris Arndt writes >For those of you interested in APRS weather, VWS (Virtual Weather Station) >is now apparently able to gate it's weather data to the net APRS servers. Etc... I could be wrong, but I think all that option does is output a file every minute called WXREPORT.TXT for UI-View to pick up and use. -- Roger Barker, G4IDE - roger@peaksys.co.uk For UI-View go to - http://www.packetradio.org.uk For WinPack go to - http://www.peaksys.co.uk --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Mon Jan 29 04:53:13 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id EAA25907 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 04:53:12 -0600 (CST) From: GeorgegeeG@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 05:52:46 EST Subject: [htaprs] re: UK Batteries To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6.1163a7a9.27a6a57e_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <6.1163a7a9.27a6a57e@aol.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk --part1_6.1163a7a9.27a6a57e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was waiting for someone from the UK to reply... but since I didn't see it... Yes AA batteries are readily available over there 73's de George WB2GTC --part1_6.1163a7a9.27a6a57e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was waiting for someone from the UK to reply...  but since I didn't see
it...  Yes AA batteries are readily available over there  
73's de George WB2GTC
--part1_6.1163a7a9.27a6a57e_boundary-- --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Mon Jan 29 09:21:32 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id JAA16898 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:21:30 -0600 (CST) To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 07:20:50 -0800 From: "Steve J Grudzinski" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: sgrudzinski@lycos.com Subject: [htaprs] Kenwood TH-D7A X-Sender-Ip: 64.13.140.166 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, I wish I had paid more attention to the information going across the reflector about this radio, but since I didn't own one until now, well there was no need to. I will be using this radio with a Garmin III+. Does anyone have any comments? As not to flood the reflector again with this radio topic, please send emails to AD6HT@arrl.net. 73 & Thanks Steve AD6HT Get your small business started at Lycos Small Business at http://www.lycos.com/business/mail.html --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Mon Jan 29 16:30:17 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id QAA02485 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:30:14 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: "Mark Conner" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" References: Subject: [htaprs] Jpole and balloons Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:29:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <017401c08a42$ffd074e0$0200a8c0@blvue1.ne.home.com> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk I've used a ladder-line (450-ohm) J-pole for transmitting APRS data from unmanned balloon payloads in just this fashion with good results. There is a null in the pattern straight below the payload with this configuration, but is not usually deep enough due to bends in the antenna to cause anything but occasional dropouts. I have the antenna hang about 4 ft below the payload to help minimize RF getting back into the electronics (TX power about 500mW). For 70cm work, a simple 12" rubber duck on a window clip on the top edge of the payload (oriented vertically) also gave good results for our simplex repeater experiment. One contact was made from Wichita KS to the Omaha area with 200mW TX on the balloon and 5W at the Wichita end (about 250 miles). 73 de Mark N9XTN ------ Mark D. Conner E-mail: mconner@null.net n9xtn@arrl.net Homepage: http://members.home.net/mconner1 "Arrogance and stupidity, all in the same package.....how efficient of you!" - Ambassador Londo Mollari, Babylon 5 > Subject: re: UK Batteries > From: "Herb Gerhardt, KB7UVC" > Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 10:19:05 -0800 > X-Message-Number: 2 > > If the goal is for maximum range, then something like a twin-lead J- > pole just dangling by its feedline below the payload ought to work > very well. > --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 30 00:33:19 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id AAA24521 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 00:33:15 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 00:31:31 -0600 From: Skip Allison X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] D7-G Icons References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3A765FC3.324A1EBD@megsinet.net> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone know if Kenwood fixed the bug with the D7 sending the wrong icons in the "G" software? (Motorcycle icon instead of bike) Skip K9SA --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 30 07:06:46 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id HAA27007 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:06:46 -0600 (CST) From: "Dr. Werner Furlan" Organization: OE9FWV To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:07:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [htaprs] Re: AA Batteries in the UK Reply-to: furlan@gmx.net Message-ID: Priority: normal In-reply-to: List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <3A76CAAD.31221.B217FBD@localhost> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk hi, On 30 Jan 2001, at 0:00, TAPR Hot Technology APRS digest wrote: > I was waiting for someone from the UK to reply... but since I > didn't see it... Yes AA batteries are readily available over there > 73's de George WB2GTC I was waiting someone ask if you believe UK is behind the moon... 73! Werner OE9FWV Never raise your hand to your children -- it leaves your mid-section unprotected. - Robert Orben. -- PGP-Key: http://www.qsl.net/oe9fwv/furlan.asc SMS: +436646340014@text.mobilkom.at Powered by Pegasus Mail - free at www.pmail.com --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 30 07:52:59 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id HAA00850 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:52:54 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: Mark Phillips To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Cc: "'htaprs@tapr.org'" Subject: [htaprs] Re: AA Batteries in the UK Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:54:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <77FA4F7C5179D41190D40008C7B156E222C4D2@USNY-MAIL1> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk I've even heard that we have electricity in the UK! Mark, G7LTT -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Werner Furlan [mailto:furlan@gmx.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 8:08 AM To: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: AA Batteries in the UK hi, On 30 Jan 2001, at 0:00, TAPR Hot Technology APRS digest wrote: > I was waiting for someone from the UK to reply... but since I > didn't see it... Yes AA batteries are readily available over there > 73's de George WB2GTC I was waiting someone ask if you believe UK is behind the moon... 73! Werner OE9FWV Never raise your hand to your children -- it leaves your mid-section unprotected. - Robert Orben. -- PGP-Key: http://www.qsl.net/oe9fwv/furlan.asc SMS: +436646340014@text.mobilkom.at Powered by Pegasus Mail - free at www.pmail.com --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: mark.phillips@royalblue.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org ************************************************************************************************************** "This message is intended only for the stated addressee(s) and may be confidential. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. Any opinions expressed in this email do not necessarily reflect the opinions of royalblue. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or in part is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately." ************************************************************************************************************** --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Tue Jan 30 08:25:14 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id IAA04516 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:25:12 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: Mark Phillips To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Re: AA Batteries in the UK Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:26:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <77FA4F7C5179D41190D40008C7B156E222C4D6@USNY-MAIL1> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk We have double the amount of electric in the UK than you do there. We don't have to share it amonst so many people. At least you can't get electrocuted with a UK plug. On my first trip to New York (I live there now) I got blown across the room when I plugged in the microwave. I've also noticed that our electricity is much 'harder' than your's. Ours is so 'hard' in fact that it stays on during a storm!!! Mark G7LTT -----Original Message----- From: Hufford, Kent [mailto:Kent.Hufford@dyncorp.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 9:09 AM To: 'Mark Phillips' Subject: RE: [htaprs] Re: AA Batteries in the UK Does not the electricity run in the wrong direction out of the "mains". The plugs are all wrong too.. Kent KQ4KK -----Original Message----- From: bounce-htaprs-3650@lists.tapr.org [mailto:bounce-htaprs-3650@lists.tapr.org]On Behalf Of Mark Phillips Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 8:55 AM To: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Cc: 'htaprs@tapr.org' Subject: [htaprs] Re: AA Batteries in the UK I've even heard that we have electricity in the UK! Mark, G7LTT -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Werner Furlan [mailto:furlan@gmx.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 8:08 AM To: TAPR Hot Technology APRS Subject: [htaprs] Re: AA Batteries in the UK hi, On 30 Jan 2001, at 0:00, TAPR Hot Technology APRS digest wrote: > I was waiting for someone from the UK to reply... but since I > didn't see it... Yes AA batteries are readily available over there > 73's de George WB2GTC I was waiting someone ask if you believe UK is behind the moon... 73! Werner OE9FWV Never raise your hand to your children -- it leaves your mid-section unprotected. - Robert Orben. -- PGP-Key: http://www.qsl.net/oe9fwv/furlan.asc SMS: +436646340014@text.mobilkom.at Powered by Pegasus Mail - free at www.pmail.com --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: mark.phillips@royalblue.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org **************************************************************************** ********************************** "This message is intended only for the stated addressee(s) and may be confidential. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. Any opinions expressed in this email do not necessarily reflect the opinions of royalblue. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or in part is prohibited. 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If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately." ************************************************************************************************************** --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 31 10:10:06 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id KAA12295 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:10:00 -0600 (CST) From: barrettthompson@mindspring.com Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:08:32 -0500 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] Newbie questions on APRS/TM-D700 Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 206.233.35.253 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Precedence: bulk I'm configuring a TM-D700 for APRS (among other uses!). A few questions for the group: 1. Is there good software available for programming the D700 from a PC connected via the DB-9 port? I've downloaded such a program from Kenwoods own site but haven't tried it yet-- feedback welcome. 2. There are 7 custom 'Position Comments' on the D700 (Custom 0 - Custom 6). How can I modify these? 3. What is the polite way to use "WideN-N" packet paths? I saw some Wide3-3 paths from other stations in my area so I tried it (it works) but I see that my packets are echoed again from several Wide digis in close proximity to one another here in Atlanta, thus creating an over-abundance of packets. Is this somehow "bad form", i.e., am I creating clutter? If so, how can I avoid it while still getting a packet beyond the boundary of generic "Relay,Wide" path? Thanks all, Barrett Thompson / KE4R KE4R@arrl.net Fayetteville, GA --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 31 16:21:09 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id QAA26490 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:21:09 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: Mark Phillips To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Subject: [htaprs] RE: AA Batteries in the UK Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:23:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <77FA4F7C5179D41190D40008C7B156E222C4FF@USNY-MAIL1> Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk One could be forgiven for thinking that the UK was some degenerate backwater based on the questions being asked here. We have electricity. Colour TV. Running water and even cigarette lighters in our cars. We even have a 100% digital mobile phone network. Digital radio, digital TV and a 30 year old nationwide 7Mbit free data service. We have more computers per house hold than any other country in the world. Our teenagers originate more than 50% of the worlds phone text messages. Now who's a backwater? Mark G7LTT -----Original Message----- From: Robert Winingham [mailto:kc5ejk@onramp.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 3:54 PM To: Mark Phillips Subject: [htaprs] Re: AA Batteries in the UK How common are the 12 Volt cigarette lighters power sockets in the UK cars. I use the so called car AUTO adapters when I travel in the US for my Computer powerbook, Palm III and my D7a. 73 -- ----- kc5ejk@onramp.net or kc5ejk@amsat.org ----- **************************************************************************** ********************************** "This message is intended only for the stated addressee(s) and may be confidential. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. Any opinions expressed in this email do not necessarily reflect the opinions of royalblue. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or in part is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately." **************************************************************************** ********************************** **************************************************************************** ********************************** "This message is intended only for the stated addressee(s) and may be confidential. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. Any opinions expressed in this email do not necessarily reflect the opinions of royalblue. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or in part is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately." **************************************************************************** ********************************** ************************************************************************************************************** "This message is intended only for the stated addressee(s) and may be confidential. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. Any opinions expressed in this email do not necessarily reflect the opinions of royalblue. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or in part is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately." ************************************************************************************************************** --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 31 17:34:13 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id RAA03198 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:34:08 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:36:01 +0000 To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" From: Roger Barker Subject: [htaprs] RE: AA Batteries in the UK References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk In article , Mark Phillips writes > >One could be forgiven for thinking that the UK was some degenerate backwater >based on the questions being asked here. > >We have electricity. Colour TV. Running water and even cigarette lighters >in our cars. Bragging again! You'll soon be trying to make them believe that we have Kenwood APRS radios... ;-) -- Roger Barker, G4IDE - roger@peaksys.co.uk For UI-View go to - http://www.packetradio.org.uk For WinPack go to - http://www.peaksys.co.uk --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org From bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Wed Jan 31 18:22:50 2001 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id SAA07338 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:22:49 -0600 (CST) X-Originating-IP: [216.234.207.21] From: "Jim Morrison" To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" Cc: htaprs@lists.tapr.org Subject: [htaprs] RE: AA Batteries in the UK Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 00:22:39 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2001 00:22:39.0324 (UTC) FILETIME=[15A461C0:01C08BE5] List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-htaprs-845@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Sir, I'm sorry if my original question about the availability of 1.5 volt AA alkaline batteries in the UK offended you. The question was asked, quite simply, because I did not know the answer. The power mains are different than ours, the TV system is different, etc. We need to use adapters when using much of our electrical equipment while visiting your country. I was not implying that your country was backward in any manner. My question was to determine if there were differences that would prevent me from using UK batteries in my US gear while visiting the UK. A lifetime of experience has taught me that good preparation is the key to a successful adventure. My question about the batteries was just that type of preparation. I am happy to report that a signifcant number of UK hams were not offended and graciously took the time to responded off-list to my question. They provided info on batteries, alternative power sources, frequencies, sights to see and in one instance even offered to loan me a 220 volt charger for my D7. I hope to have a chance to meet or at least work some of these folks while in the UK! I also hope to return the favor in-kind to any visiting hams with questions about the US! Sincerely, Jim Morrison KM5BS >From: Mark Phillips >To: "TAPR Hot Technology APRS" >Subject: [htaprs] RE: AA Batteries in the UK >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:23:06 -0500 > > >One could be forgiven for thinking that the UK was some degenerate >backwater >based on the questions being asked here. > >We have electricity. Colour TV. Running water and even cigarette lighters >in our cars. We even have a 100% digital mobile phone network. Digital >radio, >digital TV and a 30 year old nationwide 7Mbit free data service. We have >more computers per house hold than any other country in the world. Our >teenagers originate more than 50% of the worlds phone text messages. > >Now who's a backwater? > >Mark G7LTT > >-----Original Message----- >From: Robert Winingham [mailto:kc5ejk@onramp.net] >Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 3:54 PM >To: Mark Phillips >Subject: [htaprs] Re: AA Batteries in the UK > > >How common are the 12 Volt cigarette lighters power sockets in the UK cars. > >I use the so called car AUTO adapters when I travel in the US for my >Computer powerbook, Palm III and my D7a. > >73 >-- > >----- kc5ejk@onramp.net or kc5ejk@amsat.org ----- > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --- You are currently subscribed to htaprs as: lyris.htaprs@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-htaprs-845T@lists.tapr.org Questions regarding the SIG go to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org
   I=20 am going to take the suggestion to one of the hams that responded to me = to see=20 if someone out there can help me solve my problem with APRS and my=20 computer. Thanks Pete N1EZT for responding.
   I have an HP 486 computer in my shack connected = to an=20 MFJ 1278 TNC. I am runnigng Windows 95 and the WinAPRS 2.4.7 software. I = know=20 this system works and that all the cables are connected correctly. I can = work=20 packet and APRS. They have been both up and running. =
  =20 However, after a few days the program crashes I get an error message = and I=20 have to start all over again. I restart the computer, reload the = Winaprs=20 2.4.7 program and reset all my parameters. Everything seems fine but I = get now=20 stations on my screen and no out going packets. The problem is - it = takes me a=20 long time to get the computer to talk to the tnc. This time it=20 has been down for 4 days and still not running.
   I=20 have tried changing almost everything I can think of. My question - = is=20 anyone else having this problem restarting? I have been on our local = nets with=20 other hams running APRS and they cannot figure it out either. No = one can=20 come up with a solution. Is there a sequence I am not following? Any = suggestions=20 will be helpful.
   Thanks Chris Bouck=20 KB4CMF