From aprs-freq@tapr.org Sat Mar 07 13:20:09 1998 Received: from mail.mia.bellsouth.net (mail.mia.bellsouth.net [205.152.16.21]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id NAA05249 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:20:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from default (host-32-96-54-139.pbi.bellsouth.net [32.96.54.139]) by mail.mia.bellsouth.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA20504 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:20:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803071920.OAA20504@mail.mia.bellsouth.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "APRS Freq List Manager" Organization: TAPR To: aprsqsy@tapr.org Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:19:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Test:Please Delete Reply-to: aprs-freq@tapr.org Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Reply to: aprs-freq@tapr.org APRS Digi Database Info From cap@cruzio.com Sun Mar 15 18:53:15 1998 Received: from mail.cruzio.com (root@mail.cruzio.com [208.226.92.37]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id SAA11580; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:53:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from cap-s-p90 (sa-208-226-93-111.cruzio.com [208.226.93.111]) by mail.cruzio.com with SMTP id QAA29809; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:53:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980315165302.00920d90@mail.cruzio.com> X-Sender: cap@mail.cruzio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:53:02 -0800 To: kf4dbx@ipass.net, aprssig@tapr.org, aprsqsy@tapr.org From: Cap Pennell Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:22221] perplexed In-Reply-To: <199803152217.RAA27240@earth.ipass.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:21 PM 3/15/98 -0600, Dave WB4IUY wrote: > Do I change to 4.39, or stay on 5.79 (as I've heard NC >and Sc were going to do). My opinion? Change to 144.39Mhz. The national QSY compromise IS happening, IS happening for good reasons, and IS endorsed by ARRL/AMSAT/TAPR. There are a few who oppose it with a "NIMBY" response. Unfortunately for them, the network will build around them eventually. The reasons to QSY are in the best interests of everybody, not just APRS operators, and not even just amateur radio operators. For some info see: http://www.tapr.org/aprsqsy/ While the QSY is taking some time to be completed (though not as long as some had forecast), I certainly think it would be unprofitable for anybody to be putting additional equipment up on the old (145.79) frequency. 73, Cap KE6AFE -- Cap Pennell Santa Cruz, CA 95062-1002 3658.93N/12200.91W [CM86xx] email: cap@cruzio.com home page: http://members.cruzio.com/~cap packet radio: KE6AFE @ki6eh.#wcca.ca.usa.noam From WB9WOZ@aol.com Sun Mar 15 22:53:31 1998 Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id WAA27447 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:53:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from WB9WOZ@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id HVGJa08634 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 23:52:55 -0500 (EST) From: WB9WOZ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 23:52:55 EST To: aprsqsy@tapr.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: IL qsy Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 As of 0000z on 14 March 1998, the Northern Illinois APRS Network has switched to the new operating frequency of 144.39. The area from approximately Peoria north to the IL/WI state line is now online with the rest of the Illinois and Wisconsin. There are a few digis that need to be changed, these will be switched as they are accessible. Bruce Tobias President, Northern Illinois APRS Network wb9woz@nian.org http://www.nian.org From stan_horzepa@adc.com Wed Mar 18 09:28:16 1998 Received: from adc.com (obelisk.adc.com [155.226.10.207]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id JAA14402 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:28:14 -0600 (CST) From: stan_horzepa@adc.com Received: from adc.com by adc.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA11718; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:27:07 -0600 Received: from ccMail by adc.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.20.00.0 BETA) id AA890234369; Wed, 18 Mar 98 09:27:42 -0600 Message-Id: <9803188902.AA890234369@adc.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.20.00.0 BETA Date: Wed, 18 Mar 98 08:14:33 -0600 To: Subject: WA1LOU-15 QSY plan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" FWIW, WA1LOU-15 in "central" Connecticut will QSY to 144.39 on May 3 (or sooner). From riverock@televar.com Wed Mar 18 21:48:43 1998 Received: from concord.televar.com (root@concord.televar.com [208.8.131.83]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id VAA11636 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:48:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from televar.com (brewsteruser040.televar.com [208.26.169.45]) by concord.televar.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA07095 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:48:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3510959A.4F97F528@televar.com> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:48:42 -0800 From: Shaw X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aprsqsy@tapr.org Subject: [Fwd: NEWS Resolution: APRS, and comment] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------0D4F278D211BF45B8037B012" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0D4F278D211BF45B8037B012 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just saw this on the VHF list. It makes some valid points but I believe it is in error on some also. Tom W7HOF --------------0D4F278D211BF45B8037B012 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from w6yx.stanford.edu (w6yx.Stanford.EDU [36.55.0.50]) by concord.televar.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03199; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:46:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by w6yx.stanford.edu (8.8.8/8.6.10) id OAA04462 for vhf-out; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:10:54 -0800 Received: from m3.boston.juno.com (m3.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.198]) by w6yx.stanford.edu (8.8.8/8.6.10) with ESMTP id OAA04457 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:10:48 -0800 Received: (from k1map@juno.com) by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id QhL29998; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:51:46 EST To: W1CBI@mediaone.net, WA1HUD@juno.com, KA1THO@juno.com, WA4DDH@juno.com, KA1OGM@juno.com, crowley@bsci.com, n1qls@juno.com, srodowic@ix.netcom.com, dsulliva@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us, vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu, cboone@earthlink.net, WB4APR@amsat.org, Harry_Chase@windata.com, pho@crocker.com, n1mhf@juno.com, jfw@crocker.com Subject: NEWS Resolution: APRS, and comment Message-ID: <19980318.175545.6855.0.K1MAP@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-5,7-106 From: k1map@juno.com (Mark Casey) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:51:46 EST Sender: owner-vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk The following proposal was passed, unopposed, by a vote of the members of NEWS at the regular meeting held on Sat., March 14, 1998, in Enfield Ct. "NORTH EAST WEAK SIGNAL GROUP SUPPORT of an APRS NATIONAL FREQUENCY and ARRL BAND PLAN ADDITIONS and CORRECTIONS to ACCURATELY REFLECT ACTUAL USAGE of 2 METERS. The NEWS Group supports the creation of a National Frequency for APRS in the 145.500 to 145.780 region, and its inclusion in the ARRL 2 Meter Band Plan. The NEWS Group asks that automatic packet and APRS operators refrain from use of any 2 meter frequency below 144.500 for the following reasons: 1. Interference with the 2 meter Trans-Atlantic Beacon Project between Europe and the East Coast of the US and Canada from 144.250 to 144.325 and from 144.377 to 144.435 2. AM Calling Frequency on 144.400. 3. FM Simplex, FM ATV Liason, and FM Hang Glider Liason use of 144.320, .340,.360, and .380. 4. FM Simplex use for Liason and FM DX on 144.420, .440, and .460. 5. Microwave FM Liason Frequency on 144.460. The NEWS Group asks that the operations described in 1. through 5. above and, "Digital, Packet, FM Simplex, Experimental and Miscellaneous on 144.900 to 145.100", and, "Digital, Packet, FM Simplex, Experimental and Miscellaneous on 145.500 to 145.800", be included in the ARRL 2 Meter Band Plan." In talking with and exchanging information with members of the VHF community the following important points are made. Facts: The 2 Meter Trans-Atlantic Project is a valuable, exciting, and potentially ground breaking activity in Ham Radio. This project has been in progress for 3 years and the goal is to make the first 2 meter terrestrial QSO between the US and/or Canada and Europe.The North American side has set up beacons for this specific purpose from 144.275-.300, and the European side has set up beacons for this specific purpose from 144.400-.406. If regular digital use commences on 144.390, there is a strong likelihood that more digital and automatic digital stations will follow into the 144.3-.5 region. Evidence to this is the fact that the D-MARC group of Maryland and Virginia has set digital channels starting at 144.310, with 20 KHz spacing, continuing to 144.490. Widespread digital use in this area has not commenced, and no Spectrum Coordination body has approved digital or automatic station use below 144.500. In the Northeastern US, the 144.300 to .500 region has been coordinated by the Northeast VHF Association through the 1980's and until its incorporation into NEWS in 1996. This region has been actively used aby Weak Signal SSB/CW, FM Simplex, FM Liason, AM and other non-automatic miscellaneous modes, and has not been cleared for sole use by AMSAT, SAREX or any other group. Many Weak Signal users are also APRS users, and many, including a member of the NEWS Group who operates a Wide Area APRS Digipeater, will not move to 144.390 The 145.500 to .780 area has experienced a decline in usage during the last few years. A recent 2 week long monitoring in CT and Western MA (this includes the Hartford, New Haven, Bridgeport, Waterbury, and Springfield metro areas) found regular activity on .69,.79, sporadic activity on .53,.63,.67,.75,.77, and no activity on .51,.55,.57,.59,.61, .65, and .73. One of these channels should be able to be used for APRS. Question: Is it possible for APRS to use an even channel in the range of 145.520-.780? What would be the effect of 10 Khz spacing to digital recieving and transmitting stations? We already know that closer spacing is possible WITH current equipment standards as evidenced by Amateur voice and 4 Khz deviation commercial use. APRS should take a close look at the 145.500 to .800 area (or 144.9-.145.1) , and find a place where a APRS can establish a national freq. Many Hams, including myself, believe APRS is a valuable part of Ham Radio. The ARRL has endorsed a national freq for APRS but did not specify a freq in its endorsement. Representatives of the present actual users of 144.3-.5 should be invited to discussions about new use of this area. The ARRL should invite Weak Signal, AM and FM and any other users to a representative meeting before the 144.390 is decided by them. Many APRS operators do not want to move to 144.390. We have enough spectrum for everyone, if we plan our activities with the respect and communication due to our neighbors who use differing modes. Please do not move APRS to 144.390. Sincerely, Mark Casey, K1MAP Secretary and Spectrum Comm. Chair., NEWS _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------ Submissions: vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu Subscription/removal requests: vhf-request@w6yx.stanford.edu Human list administrator: vhf-approval@w6yx.stanford.edu --------------0D4F278D211BF45B8037B012-- From ddoulou@gte.net Thu Mar 19 06:14:52 1998 Received: from smtp2.mailsrvcs.net (smtp2.gte.net [207.115.153.31]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id GAA16767 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 06:14:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from wingate (1Cust214.tnt3.st-petersburg.fl.da.uu.net [208.254.32.214]) by smtp2.mailsrvcs.net with SMTP id GAA02907; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 06:14:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <03a901bd5330$98f0dea0$0100a8c0@wingate> Reply-To: "Demos Doulou" From: "Demos Doulou" To: , Subject: Fw: [APRS-FL:1902] FL Panhandle QSY Notification Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:14:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Havent seen this posted here , so FYI Demos KR4US -----Original Message----- From: Bill Hayden To: aprs-fl@tapr.org Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 2:31 PM Subject: [APRS-FL:1902] FL Panhandle QSY Notification >The digipeater owners in the Florida Panhandle, as a unified group have >elected to QSY their respective digipeaters to 144.39 MHz on or about 01 >April 98. > >This decision was made to ensure continued connectivity with the Florida >State Emergency Operations Center in support of the ARES program; and to >continue the pursuit of an APRS link with the Natl. Weather Service in >Mobile, Al in support of the SKYWARN program. > >The digipeaters affected are: > > AD4BL Lynn Haven, Fl. > KD4PDT-7 Marianna, Fl. > KO4TT-7 Pensacola, Fl. > KS4NY-7 Milton, Fl. > NT4Y-7 Brewton, Al. (QSY'd on 3/15/98) > W4NN-1 Fort Walton, Fl. > WA4NDA Wewawhitchka, Fl. > > >Bill Hayden (WY8O) >ASM-APRS >Northern Florida Section >wy8o@sprintmail.com > From LGPlush@compuserve.com Mon Mar 30 19:30:09 1998 Received: from arl-img-4.compuserve.com (arl-img-4.compuserve.com [149.174.217.134]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id TAA28831 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:30:07 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by arl-img-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) id UAA16297 for aprsqsy@tapr.org; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:29:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:29:07 -0500 From: "Lloyd G. Plush" Subject: Colorado QSY Sender: "Lloyd G. Plush" To: APRSQSY Message-ID: <199803302029_MC2-386E-5B24@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Colorado APRS users have changed frequency to 144.390 as of March 29. = Still a few stragglers due to personel problems or weather but majority o= f users have made qsy. Our main wide coverage digi on a mountain top did n= ot make qsy yet due to heavy snows in mountains but should qsy later this week. 73...Lloyd/kb0mqq/Denver APRS gate lgplush@compuserve.com